2 - Draft Minutes - Planning Board - May 21, 2009
CITY OF BOULDER
PLANNING BOARD ACTION MINUTES
May 21, 2009
1777 Broadway, Council Chambers
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PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT:
KC Becker
Bill Holicky
Elise Jones
Adrian Sopher, Chair
Mary Young
Andrew Shoemaker
PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS ABSENT:
Willa Johnson
STAFF PRESENT:
Michelle Allen, Housing Planner
Charles Ferro, Planner 11
David Gehr, Assistant City Attorney
Michelle Mahan, Transportation Engineer 1
Ruth McHeyser, Acting Planning Director
Cindy Pieropan, Housing Planner
Robert Ray, Land Use Review Manager
Susan Riclistone, Long Range Planning Manager
Paula Weber, Administrative Specialist III
1. CALL TO ORDER
Chair, A. Sopher, declared a quorum at 6:04 p.m. and the following business was
conducted. A_ Shoemaker recused until item 6A.
2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
No minutes were scheduled for approval.
3. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION
No one from the public addressed the board.
4. DISCUSSION OF DISPOSITIONS, PLANNING BOARD CALL-UPS
Call-up items: Thunderbird Lake Wetland Permit (LUR2009-00034) the board did not
call up this item.
5. ACTION ITEMS
A. Consideration of adoption of the Junior Academy Area Plan
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Staff Presentation
S. Richstone presented the item to the board.
Public Hearing
Randy Strogh (spoke with pooled time with Annie Clarke, Tony Stroh, Catherine Barnes, Liz
Payton, Nancy Doty, 15 minutes) spoke in opposition to rezoning.
Annie Clarke, 2621 5`1' Street (time pooled with Randy Strogh)
Tony Strogh, 821 Mapleton Avenue, (time pooled with Randy Strogh)
Catherine Barnes, 526 Concord Avenue, (time pooled with Randy Strogh)
Liz Payton, 2605 5`}' Street, (time pooled with Randy Strogh)
Nancy Doty, 529 Concord Ave. (time pooled with Randy Strogh)
Bev Robinson, 2137 Fourth Street, spoke in opposition to rezoning.
Kim Keeeb, 2656 4'h Street, spoke in opposition to rezoning.
Bruce Oreck, P.O. Box 1350, (pooled time with Cody Oreck) spoke in opposition to rezoning.
Cody Oreck, 203 Morningside, (pooled time with Bruce Oreck)
Carl Stewart, 2530 5`h Street, spoke in opposition to the site plan.
Elizabeth Gordon spoke in support of option two in the plan and in support of good housing
locations for senior citizens.
Stephen Sparn, 1731 15'h Street, (spoke with pooled time with Jose Varga, Ashley Pitts, David
Johnson - 10 minutes) in support of the area plan.
Jose Varga, P. O. Box 7300, (pooled time with Stephen Sparn)
Ashley Pitts, 1458 Kennedy Avenue, (pooled time with Stephen Sparn)
David Johnson, 711 Walnut Street, (pooled time with Stephen Spam)
Jaquelyn Wurn, 82 Alpine Way, spoke in support of the area plan.
David Sarson, 428 Concord Avenuc, spoke in opposition to rezoning without a specific plan for
the site.
Margaret Arnett, 4670 White Rock circle, spoke in support of the project as a congregate living
project.
Pauline Annie Russell, Silver Sage Village resident, spoke in support of the project as a
congregate living project.
Lisa Harrington, 428 Concord Avenue, spoke about the traffic concerns saying that she is in
support of congregate care facilities if there could be a limit to the number of cars-
howard Movshovitz, 519 Concord Avenue, spoke in opposition to the project.
Janice Hallowell, 519 Concord Avenue, spoke in opposition of the project without having more
information. She asked the board not to rezone.
Philip Shapiro, 3350 Quilici Road, (pooled time with Rick Johnson, John Wilson,) spoke in
support of the project.
Rick Johnson, 2521 Broadway, Suite A, (pooled time with Phil Shapiro)
John Wilson, 653 Sea Breeze Drive, (pooled time with Phil Shapiro)
Arnold Barns, 526 Concord Avenue, spoke in opposition to the project because there are too
many options, saying that there is a need for detailed plans.
Henry Ademski, 504 Valley View drive, spoke in opposition to this project.
Ben Collett, 2566 6"' Street, spoke in opposition to the project because of traffic concerns.
Patrick Kadel, 424 Concord, spoke in opposition to rezoning.
Tim Plass, 655 Maxwell, spoke in opposition to this project-
Lynn Segal, 538 Dewey, spoke in opposition to zoning change.
Beth Hondorf, 2720 4`h, spoke in opposition to this project.
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Board Discussion
A. Sopher addressed that when City Council at staff s suggestion decided that we would do a
form of area plan here, as small and light of area plan as possible, his understanding was that the
intention was to avoid the problem of the cart being before the horse. We had concept plans and
requests for rezoning that were contingent one upon the other. All of that based on maps that
were in conflict with one another. It became very difficult to assess a rezoning proposal along
with a concept plan given (hat the zoning and land uses didn't match. The thought was that we
need to clean up our housekeeping aspects of things before we can reasonably ask an applicant to
come in with a concept plan that can then be supported by our zoning code.
E. Jones said she supported giving this area plan idea a try because the other way has failed
several times. It fcit like there was a developer coming in without finding out what the
neighborhood wanted- If you did an area plan first, the area plan process is about talking to the
neighbors about what their vision for this area is and what constraints would need to be put on
development. The next development proposal would then reflect what was in the plan and what
the neighborhood wants. Judging from tonight it didn't work very well but that was the intention.
A. Sopher said members of this board were concerned that it wouldn't work because we were
looking at too small oFa property and we were trying to do it in a shorthand version and limit the
amount of things we would take on in the discussion in order to keep it practical and achievable.
Because of that, we limited the details of'what we would be looking at in order to accomplish it
in a relatively concise manner given that the application had already been discussed by the
property owner-
Plan Objectives
E. Jones said she is not against congregate care but she thinks that the density being proposed
here is too high due to the fact that we have access against a mountain and it is incompatible with
the existing neighborhood which has pretty low density. We can either lower the density or if
possible put constraints on limiting car travel if this site is used for congregate care. This would
reduce the impacts associated with congregate care.
B. Holicky said he agrees with what E. Jones said but wanted to add that he feels there is a need
to allow for senior living on site. We have a population that is aging rapidly. It is a moral
imperative to take care of all aspects of our community. Ile does not really have a problem with
moving the lines around however we decide to do it tonight. lie does not think that (he square
footages allowed by the zoning have anything to do with what we might allow through a site
review. Until we have a project, we can't know.
111. Young said she would like to see a real area plan here that incorporates all of the buildings to
the south because it is all in flux and there is already a discrepancy. If you look at it all together,
it would be nice to consider- it in the face of a complete area plan. In the objectives, she would
like to see it more feathered kind of situation given that the area just west of it is open space.
Given the objectives she would like to consider this community edge, given that it is up against
community open space and that hillside is going to be protected.
E. Jones said it seems like most of that is in the environmental protection bullet. Asking M.
Young if she sees ways to change that bullet.
M. Young read that section of the bullet from the memo and changed it to add the word edges.
E. Jones said she would add that the development will respect the parcel's importance as a
natural edge to the city. It is a prominent edge on the western side that is important to the city
and the development needs to be sensitive to that.
B. Holicky said he understands where M. Young is going and he is willing to add "edge" there.
He thinks that environmental protection gets to that point and in any site review is spoken to in
the Comprehensive Flan so unless you were to say that you specifically want to see the
development taper as you head west, that would be something that we should consider- He is not
willing to go there without seeing a concept plan.
A. Sopher said he would not support it tapering to the hillside. From his perspective this is a
damaged site. It is not a hillside in its natural state. Ile would support tapering it down towards
the slope as it goes up. He agrees with B. 1-lolicky that tapering it as it goes to the neighborhood
and the context and fabric of the neighborhood to the east is critical.
A. Sopher said that part of what we will be addressing in the concept and site review hearings
will be density, scale, mass, access, internal circulation, open space, traffic mitigation, etc. There
is no guarantee of any square footage on this site. We are just taking the first steps right now and
we are trying to come to conclusions that are reasonable that help us guide that future discussion.
He does not have a problem in adding the word edge.
Land Use
A. Sopher said land use and zoning combined is the most confusing aspect of this discussion in
relation to the area plan. The land use is wrong in terms of its lay out. 't'here is a case to be made
for maintaining some form of public use on this land in the context of discussions that have been
held, though to no conclusion, that the value of public land in this community is at a premium.
This site has gone through at least two concept reviews that have been rejected and property
owners that have changed hands in the process. He is not in any great hurry to say that we should
take the land out of some from of public land use and zoning-, that being said, it does not
preclude the possibility of congregate care on this site. Congregate care is a use that is allowed
through use review. He is suggesting that we maintain some form of public land use and some
form of public zoning but on a north south axis as it is in the zoning map, with the adjustment to
the location of where that line is on that site in conjunction with a rezoning application and a
concept plan.
E. Jones said there are a lot of'public uses that can happen there that may not be appropriate due
to its location.
A. Sopher said that the site has a hospital for a neighbor.
E. Jones said that one would question whether given access if you would want to continue
institutional uses down Fourth Street given traffic constrains already there.
A. Sopher said we were too quick with staff recommendation to get rid of the public zoning.
F,. Jones asked if low density residential is allowed in a public zone.
C. Ferro said you can have low density residential through use review.
K. Ilolicky said you have to go through use review for anything except a hospital or cemetery.
E. Jones asked about the idea that the land use is not a limiting factor on most of the suggested
uses.
A. Sopher said that is correct, it is all tied to the submittal. But iets clean up the land use map
that says where we are heading is some form of public use and some form of residential low
density use and particularly along the Fourth Street side, definitely single family residential.
E. Jones said we are not saying the use has to be public but that the designation has to be public.
You could still do a private single family development with a use review. Also saying that the
rational for doing that is to preserve the public zone for some future public benefit.
K. Becker clarified that almost anything that could happen on this property will have to come
back to the board for review. We are right now trying to create a vision for the property. What A.
Sopher is doing is making the maps match but she does not feel that it addresses the vision for
the site.
A. Sopher said the vision that he is trying to support is maintaining residential along Fourth
Street. He showed that on page five of the area plan, where it says option 2, take out the word
flex and make it public then take that line that separates flex from RL- I and make it a dashed
line because we do not know exactly where it will be.
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L. Jones said that K. Becker is right that this does not create a vision and that to the degree that
this plan is supposed to give clarity to what is going to be on that property, we are not headed in
that direction either with the staff recommendation or with what A. Sopher says. This is an area
plan "light" or different. Maybe what we should figure out is what part of this do we have a
vision for that is very clear and what part do we want to leave flexible. She wondered if there is
consensus in replicating low density on Fourth Street.
A. Sopher said we arc talking about replicating RL-1 zoning and scale of housing along Fourth
Street.
E. Jones said these are the things that we do not want to be flexible on, that are not in question
and we would want to be clear-
K. Becker asked about community engagement in the area planning process after this new
proposal.
A. Sopher said the public hearing is over and with the new proposal this is not a done deal by
any means. This is a draft area plan that has been put forward by staff. We have the opportunity
to accept it, reject it, modify it and move it forward to council.
E. Jones said this is not a radical departure from what was presented to the board. It is a different
way of drawing the lines but doesn't change the options that are available. Asking are there any
other pieces of this that we have clarity and agreement on.
B. 11olicky said the flex idea is interesting but the name is misleading. Saying that it really is
RL-1 allowing attached units and congregate care. RI.-1 is an appropriate zoning district for
ajacency to this neighborhood. Ile does not have a problem with the stuff behind Fourth Street as
attached or congregate care depending on how it is done. IIe said if we can say, it needs to be
RI, I along Fourth Street, it needs to be RL-1 along the back too but we are also interested in
how we can get congregate care back there, that is fine. If the best way to do that is this new
zone, that is fine. If the best way to do that is to leave it public so that whatever proposal comes
forward has to go through us. The only thing the public designation does that may be valuable is
that leaving it public takes nothing off the table. fie is not against it, there is not much difference
in results. There is a difference in the message.
D. Gehr said to some extent, in terns of the message and how the land use regulations have been
changed over time, they have actually been changed over time to discourage residential because
residential is kind of a highest and best use in a public zone and making housing an easy thing to
do in a public zones threatened public zones because they would just convert to residential. If
you want residential you should say residential plus what you would like to see on that site. That
is a better message than just keeping it public unless you truly want institutional uses or public
uses.
A. Sopher said that does not necessarily apply to congregate care.
1). Gehr said that is why all of those uses are use review. When you get into a use review
process, you have a different set of standards you are applying to that use as opposed to site
review. He said the things that he is hearing the board talk about is less about the use and more
about design. Design issues seem to be more appropriately addressed using site review as your
tool as opposed to the use review.
M. Young said another difference is that if you overlay the R-4 and RL-1, public keeps
congregate care as use review whereas with R-4 it is allowed without use review.
D. Gehr said that based on our site review thresholds it is going to be required. Not going
through site review will not be an option. It will require concept review and site review.
B. Holicky said it seems that if we choose the public zone we are saying that our vision is for
something residential but also perhaps for something else. If we choose some version of a
residential zone, we arc saying we think it is residential plus something else. So it might be
useful for us to talk about which of those avenues we want to pursue.
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A. Sopher said lie thinks we are looking for more community benefit beyond single family
houses. That community benefit might be congregate care on this site. He does not particularly
support just turning this into residential use. He said if we just say that this is all residential use
on this site then we are losing the potential if the property owner should change again to ask for
that community benefit in quite the same way by rezoning to all residential.
E. Jones said she does not disagree with A. Sopher's point about community benefit because
once you give away public, it is gone. However what she is hearing from the neighborhood is the
benefit is to minimize density. It seems unlikely with where we are currently going with this that
it will return to a school use or educational use. It is disturbing that we are losing those options
throughout our city and eventually our demographics will change and we will need sites like that.
It is not a bad use of this site. She is intrigued by the notion of retaining the public designation.
K. Becker said she thinks staff got it right. There is a lot of strain on single family
neighborhoods right now, there are not a lot of them. "There is community benefit to providing
more single family homes. We do not have the opportunity to add single family homes in the city
very much. She also thinks that senior housing is something the city has to address. Some of the
things the public is concerned about arc incredibly important but we do not know how this will
be addressed until we see a plan at site review. A lot of their concerns will be addressed at that
point. What we are really talking about now is changing map lines and creating a vision. She
likes that this leaves those opportunities open. This site is a huge opportunity to add something
great to the community. Single family home option could be great but added that congregate care
if it is done right and not at too high of a density, if the design is correct and if the traffic is not
too intense, it could be a really great thing too. Saying that staff got it right but she has not had
the time to evaluate what A. Sopher is suggesting. In listening to E. Jones, she makes a good
point but whatever is allowed on that site, she does not sec it reverting to something else down
the road. She said the neighborhood and public will be most concerned when the concept plan
comes forward-
M. Young said she thinks we are coming up with a vision here although it is a myopic vision.
She still thinks that we need to address it as an area. She does not like this parcel area plan. The
way that it has happened so far is disconcerting given that an area plan is supposed to be done by
staff, Planning Board and City Council. She is bothered by the fact that a financial stake holder
in this parcel was included in the creation of an area plan.
E. Jones addressed M. Young's comments, she said she understands where she is coming from
but she is approaching it from the opposite stand point because we are trying out a new process
specifically for a parcel that is moving from public to private use. Noting that this is special and
the last time we went through this was Washington School and that process was pretty bumpy.
The developer was brought into the process because they were ready to come in with a concept
plan. The intentions were pure which is we are trying to create a neighborhood vision on a parcel
that is unique and different and really important. Not trying to make it easy for the developer to
have their way one way or the other. It was really about trying to inject community first. It came
from a place where you might agree with the intention.
B. Holicky said in the past we have only gotten developer input. It is normal and reasonable for a
property owner to advocate a position for their property. The balance point is that we need to
understand what the community vision for this property is. There are two sides to this and they
both need to be involved.
K. Becker said with any area plan the financial stakeholders are always involved and that is
usually the property owners that live in that area. The financial interests are and should be
represented.
A. Sopher said going back to the question of land uses, lie said he still had a proposal on the
table for two options in the land use, one as drawn with low density residential; the other as some
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fonn of public to the western side of the site, and the modification of the map to reflect that but
maintaining low density residential on the eastern portion of the site.
D. Gehr asked A. Sopher if his proposal was to have two options in the plan.
A. Sopher said it was his proposal to have two options in the land use and would reflect two
options in the zoning.
B. Holicky asked A. Sopher if since lie is advocating this would he mind if B. Holicky leads the
discussion for this part.
B. Ilolicky said the idea is that we have a split zone with two choices for both the land use and
the zoning, option one and option two. We wouldn't have option one currently listed in staff
proposal which is the residential throughout. So in A. Sopher's last option we would have a split
in land use with LR against Fourth Street and Public to the west. In the zoning we would have
RIA against Fourth Street and Public in the back. The second option is LR everywhere as staff
has shown under the land use and flex and RL-1 zoning as staff has shown as option two. We are
looking for a straw pole to see if you can support those options.
K. Becker said she is uncomfortable with that because option one that zones it as RL-I is
eliminated-
B. Holicky said flex is essentially RI,-1 with a couple of twists. RL-I with congregate care and
attached dwelling units. You could build it as ItI. l and it would all be dependant on site review
approval.
S. Richstone said the reason she suggested the board do the land use first is to talk a little bit
more about the vision of what would happen in each of those. For instance under the low density
residential option it sounds like there is some struggling with this flex zone because of some of
the things it does and sonic of the things it doesn't do. The board is not limited to this zoning
option.
E. Jones asked if the board could give their vision for what they think would be appropriate for
what should be built here. Saying that her vision for this area is that she is fine with low density
single family residential, she is not against congregate care as well. She is concerned about the
density. Either of those or a mixture of them is fine at the right density.
B. Holicky said he agrees with that but added that if this site does not get developed in the next
ten years, it would be interesting to still preserve a future possibility of a public use here. The
only thing lie could envision on this site as public use would be open space or a school.
F,. Jones agreed with B. Holicky.
A. Sopher said he agrees with what was said although he is less inclined to have single family
residential. Ile does like the potential for congregate care on this site. It is buffered by the single
family residential on the eastern portion of this site. He is not as concerned about the traffic
generated. He said he feels that the traffic numbers will be less with congregate care than with
single family residential. He is more inclined to see this as congregate care than single family.
K. Becker said she is comfortable with RI. 1. She wouldn't mind seeing the site as all
residential. She is not opposed to congregate care but she knows there is concern in the
community about congregate care. She thinks 130,000 square feet is too much but she would
need to see Borne massing studies. She thinks there would be less impact from traffic from the
congregate care than from the single family residential.
M. Young said she could support public. What concerns her about congregate care is the
definition. If we could address that definition and fix that loophole then she could support the
zone that has attached housing / dwellings with congregate care.
A. Sopher said the board sees all of that in site review. This is not a by right project.
K. Becker asked if Howe Mortuary was by right.
M. Young said the other thing she likes about the public zoning is that you can have efficiency
living units with use review.
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E. Jones said it feels as if there is a lot of overlap in what we are all thinking. There is a slight
difference of preference towards single family vs. congregate care and the questiori is then what
land use and associated zoning best provides that vision.
A. Sopher said from his perspective his proposal is a reasonable one to allow either possibility to
move forward to council in terms of in the split in both the land use and zoning maps reflecting
some sort of public to the west and single family residential to the cast on the one hand and the
flex designation as the other option to the west.
K. Becker and B. Holicky said they could support A. Soper's proposal.
S. Richstone said it sounds like where the board is going is two options on land use and zoning.
What she did not hear on the public option is where the line goes-
A. Sopher asked what S. Richstone recommends in terms of drawing a line.
S. Richstone said it depends on the board's intent and vision. If they would like single family
homes along Fourth Street, you could give approximately 100' of depth-
A. Sopher said that we would want the west side of Fourth street to be single family and beyond
that there is some flexibility with the development proposal.
S. Richstone said you have a very clear benched portion of this site. You might want to put the
public portion on the benched portion if you are going to divide the site-
E. Jones said it is better to look at whether or not you want to align with the road to the north.
S. Richstone said what she is hearing is to have that line between a quarter and a third of the
depth of the site.
A. Sopher asked for a straw pole on whether this board supports those two options for land use
and zoning being forwarded as a part of the area plan and removal of option one as drawn as RL-
I throughout.
E. Jones asked if A. Sopher was saying that City Council choose or was he suggesting that the
developer choose.
A. Sopher said he is not sure if the developer chooses, asking S. Richstone what she was
suggesting.
S. Richstone said staff had only one land use option. Where the board is going is a little different
because you are suggesting two different comprehensive plan land use designations.
D. Gehr said at some point as part of the comprehensive plan process, if a property owner were
to bring in a rezoning application, the comp plan says that you can also bring in a comp plan neap
change. It would be based on one of the two options. If the board is leaning toward congregate
care, it makes more sense for a residential land use map designation because congregate care is a
residential use. The regulatory evolution of our public zoning district is that we have continued
to clamp down on uses that are permitted, excluding more and more uses as time has gone on
and making many of the uses that are allowed, use review. The intent with that was to preserve
public uses or the public zone for traditional institutional uses to try to avoid them being used for
residential which tend to cause public zoned land to have a higher land value.
A. Sopher said if we do what D. Gehr is suggesting we get no guarantee that we get congregate
care because it could still be single family residential under a different applicant.
D. Gehr said you would have a similar kind of uncertainty with any kind of zoning.
E. Jones said the value is to preserve for the future potentially beyond this land owner, the
public zone options in writing the area plan. You can do single family as an option or congregate
care and it may revert back to a more traditional public use in the future. Keeping that option
open is what most of us would like.
D. Gehr said if that is the direction the board wants to go, it is an issue of implementation and
we may just have a good strong intention that for this publicly zoned piece of land that
residential is among the preferred uses that could be used and we could also look at the use
review criteria to make sure that our use review criteria could effectuate that intent. That is a
relatively simple task.
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B. Holicky said if we send both of the land uses ahead, a developer would have to be crazy to
pick the public use. There is no point in sending both if we want it to be public. If we think the
best use of this land is residential then we should zone it residential. If we think the best use of
this land is some public use like a school but we can't get that, so a really good use is residential
with congregate care we could go public. If we send two options forward, we have to assume
that Council will pick one. If we send one of the two options forward we should send the one that
best matches what our concept of the best use of the land should be.
E. Jones said we should decide on one option and send it to Council and that we should do the
one that is part public. We can be clear about our intentions in the language.
A. Sopher said that leads us back to the comments on page four in terms of housing.
S. Richstone said that she heard the desire for schools. Schools are allowed in residential zones.
She would suggest that the board think carefully about public as a zone because the public zone
has a wide range of options-
K. Becker said she is uncomfortable with public because of the options available and the fact
that the public has not had the option to give their input on this new option.
M. Young said she is coming back around to the flex zone asking if in the flex zone can the
board say that they want to make it flex zone but only make it specific uses.
S. Richstone said the board should look at the uses the board would like to see. You are not
stuck with the flex zone option.
M. Young asked if the board can narrow the uses down on that zoning for the site.
S. Richstone said the board could recommend a new zone-
B. llolicky said he is frustrated because on one hand we talk about our public zone and our
schools, that they are a more restrictive way to deal with schools turning over. Here in this
discussion we arc referring to public zones being less restrictive than residential. It can't be both.
IJere is a school with a public zone on it and the conversation has switched so that if we leave it
as public, it is too permissive. It is not more permissive than a residential zone. If we want it to
be more restrictive it should be public. If we want to say we are fine with it being residential with
some twists then it should be residential.
A. Sopher asked the board if they arc ready to say that we have some kind of shared view on
this. He agrees that a use review is required on just about anything in this zone except a
vocational school or a hospital. He does not see anyone being able to put a vocational school
here with the price of land. F,vcrything else is by use review unless we are doing a cemetery. lie
agrees with B. llolicky that this is a more restrictive zone.
E. Jones said she suggests public.
A. Sopher is in support of public as well. Ile asked for a straw pole on supporting a split land
use on the north / south access that is public to the west and low density residential to the cast.
E. Jones suggested having the zoning reflect that it is fine for some mixture of single family or
congregate care as options.
A. Sopher asked for a straw pole on whether or not the zoning maps are then to the west side
public and to the cast side single family residential RL- l zone.
K. Becker said it is important that the public has a chance to look at what this does and means to
them.
B. Holicky said he supports that and at the very least the packet that is sent to City Council is
noticed to the public so they have the opportunity to review and digest the information.
E. Jones said she is just wondering whether or not since we are a little more enthusiastic about
the notion of mixing single family with congregate care as an option with a caveat with density,
can we reflect that in the area plan adequately even though you would not necessarily get that
explicitly fi-om the zone and land use designation.
S. Richstone said that is possible, whatever the board would like can be included in the language
in the plan.
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A. Sopher asked for a straw pole on the zoning map that was just described with public to the
west and RL-l to the east.
F. Jones said that at some point she would like to talk about other limits on the development, in
particular limiting the density. She feels that the square footage that is being discussed is too
high and it would be her preference to have the area plan reflect a desire for lower square
footage.
A. Sopher said the board should talk about that under redevelopment principals. Ile then asked
the board to discuss access.
K. Becker asked for clarification on access points.
M. Mahan said that in the area plan it states that there are two options, one with two access
points in aligtvnent with the alleys, the other option is one primary access in alignment with
Dewey and then a secondary emergency only access.
K. Becker asked ifthose are the only two options.
M. Mahan said those are the only options. The grade differences to the north prohibits other
options.
A. Sopher said he would like to do away with option one with the single access onto Dewey. He
does not see a reason to continue to further load Dewey which is a very narrow street which
really doesn't support being the principal access point to the site.
F. Jones said she has the same opinion.
M. Mahan said both options have pros and cons. The cons to Dewey are that a slight percentage
increase of trips could be routed down Dewey. The pro for Dewey is that generally the street
grids are in alignment with another street so that the driver eye is drawn there.
A. Sopher said the only problem with that is the narrowness of Dewey and the fact that Dewey
exists at the bottom of that slope where bikes are going the fastest and trying to go the fastest and
then come up the hill on the other side. He said he would still propose that the board do away
with option one and ask for a straw pole from the board unless there is a reason not to.
E. Jones said she shares A. Sopher's concerns about Dewey and she would be inclined to get rid
of option one and also to have the two access points out onto Fourth have stop signs so that they
minimize their impacts to pedestrians and bikes since Fourth Street is a major thoroughfare for
that.
Redevelopment Principles
A. Sopher asked if anyone on the board would like to address anything in here that they think is
lacking.
B. Holicky said he would like to talk about page seven and the intention of trying to create
architectural guidelines that make the buildings blend with the neighborhood. He said he would
leave everything in here that has to do with massing, front porches, dormers, breaking roof up.
/Anything that has to do with specific architectural design like trim, paint, detailing should be
taken out. We should see what it is before we judge whether or not it is compatible.
K. Becker said she agrees with what B. llolicky said however she would like to keep in the
section that says materials such as brick, stone, siding, and wood shingles. "f7iat eliminates stucco
and she does not think stucco is a traditional building material in the neighborhood.
B. Holicky said maybe it should read a diversity of materials is encouraged. It should not look
like someone did it all at once. It should be a diversity of design and materials.
B. Ilolicky said he would delete the reference to railing and would strike fenestration.
K. Becker said someone from the public had mentioned making a reference to Mapleton Hill
Design Guidelines.
S. Riehstone said Mapleton Hill is an historic district; to take guidelines from an historic district
would not work for an undeveloped property. She said what staff was trying to do is to take some
the ele3nents from a traditional neighborhood.
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B. llolicky asked if it could be simplified to say that detailed design guidelines will be
developed as part of any site review for this site. That is what they did at 1loliday and it worked
really well.
E. Jones said she thinks 120,000-130,000 square feet as potential square footage on this site is
too high to be in keeping with the character of this neighborhood.
M. Yount; asked if that could be done with some sort of square footage limitation.
B. Holicky said one of the things that staff was proposing in the flex zone is a FAR limit so we
could do the same thing with this proposal.
A. Sopher said the only problem is that we have two different zones here and the zones have
their own implications and he is wondering if in the RI,-1 zone if we are identifying a problem
with whatever comes out of the compatible development project.
M. Young said that would not be in keeping with the current character of the neighborhood.
A. Sopher said he is not sure he would agree with that. In other words the current character of
the neighborhood could also build to that level of development of whatever comes out of the
compatible development project. "There are no limitations on that neighborhood.
M. Young said it is a historical neighborhood.
A. Sopher said not all of that neighborhood is historical. lie said if there is a guideline for the
city for the RL, 1 zone, why would we expect this RL-1 zone to be at a lesser square footage
allowance.
E. Jones said a case could be made that this is a large RL-1 development that is occurring in
mass that there may be specifics to this area that may trump that. This is why we have site review
but the majority of the site is not going to be zoned RL-1.
A. Soplier said he is just trying to break down the parts right now because if the RL-l zone is
going to be controlled via the guidelines that will be coming out before this project gets a
buiiding permit, he is not sure he sees a need to make further restrictions on the RL-1 portion of
this site.
B. Holicky said let's say the RI-I zone proposed here follows RL-1 guidelines with that in mind
lets talk about the public and when we are done with the public, we can conic back to RI.-1.
Right now, public has no FAR limitations to it.
E. Jones said the public has no FAR limit. You could try to craft something that limits overal I
square footage. or you could make a requirement that is more subjective.
A. Sopher said the problem with all of this is that we arc winging it, we do not have a concept
plan in front of us, we do not have any idea of what 120,000 square feet or 60,000 square feet
looks like on this site. We don't know.
E. Jones said the whole purpose of an area plan is to provide an opportunity for the community
to have a vision for tills area which includes both the positive of what we want and the
constraints of what we don't want. If there is one thing that we have heard from this community
and what previous Planning Boards have said through the last two concept reviews is the level of
density is too intense for this site. This is a unique and important site. If there is one thing the
area plan can deliver to this neighborhood it would be saying yes we agree, lets limit the density.
R. Holicky said in the original proposal staff suggested a.5 or.55 in the flex zone and the
applicant supported staffs recommendation. Why would we not at least start with that.
E. Jones said this is an area plan. We set density limits for TVAP, for North Boulder that we
were creating a vision. She agreed that there are different ways to set numbers and maybe we
shouldn't be exact, maybe it should be a range but the area plan as a whole needs to speak to that
point. This is an area plan and it creates a vision and that is what an area plan is supposed to do.
If we are silent on this the developer will come in with his best guess as to what he can get us to
agree to and the community will come to the Planning Board and say that it is too much.
A. Sopher said if they can't show us that it is a valid and valuable way to develop the site it will
not happen.
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M. Young said what we do know is from the previous concept plans, one was rejected because it
was too suburban. The other plan was 42 units that were rejected because it was too dense.
B. Holieky said he does not mind putting a FAR on this but we should not extract anything from
those proposals because they were terrible. The issues with those proposals had nothing to do
with the density. He said we should not use those two proposals as data points.
A. Sopher said the problem with trying to assess what the numbers should be is that we are just
making it up until we have a concrete proposal in front of us.
K. Becker said she is comfortable with where B. Holieky was with creating a maximum because
it gives some direction to the developer that this is the max and it gives some assurance to the
public that it will not be higher than that. The range does riot achieve a lot but the maximum
does.
A. Sopher asked if the board would like to take a straw pole.
E. Jones said she is curious if there are better ways to get at the intention.
K. Becker said she thinks doing a FAR is difficult because we do not know if they are going to
come forward with a congregate care proposal or single family homes. Because single family
homes are going to be divided into individual lots and congregate care could be
condominiumized or it might not be so you can not make an adequate FAR for something like
that. It really depends on how it is lotted. She said she is more comfortable with setting a
maximum square footage.
M. Young asked if we could do it with words that say something with a square footage that is in
appearance with compatibility with the surrounding neighborhood.
B. Holieky said we could try to say something like the maximum amount of traffic that should
be on the site could be relatively similar to the amount of traffic that was there when there was a
school there- We could say that the traffic should not exceed that or the FAR be in a certain
range. We could focus on the traffic if we are interested in the number of people or we could
focus on the number of dwelling units.
E. Jones said she thinks we should focus on the traffic. She said it should be in the range of but
it should not exceed what was historically there when the Boulder Junior Academy was there.
M. Young said she had a problem with the traffic part of it because you could have a lot of
square footage with usage that has very little traffic.
B. 11olicky said another way to do it is to forget about the numbers and use word and try to
describe what we want to see.
M. Young said that brings us back to the development principles.
B. Holieky said maybe there should be different kinds of things in there that speak to this. He
gave examples of on page 6 under the redevelopment principals it says the hillside area on the
northwest portion of the site should be preserved and restored. Single family detached houses
should be on the west side of Fourth street and should be compatible and consistent with the
surrounding neighborhood and reflect a continuity with the existing neighborhood character.
Then it talks about larger buildings located at the southwest portion of the site consistent with the
buildings the buildings to the south, no more than three stories above finished grade. Those three
things alone would cause the square footage to be well under 100,000 square feet.
E. Jones said on page six it talks about the single family detached houses and the height of larger
buildings but it does not speak to the massing of congregate care. She would like to add that the
overall square footage on the site for congregate care should not exceed 75,000 square feet. She
said we keep bouncing back and forth between square footage and traffic but if you are going to
do something like congregate care you have to achieve low traffic results.
K. Becker said she would like to end this part of the discussion and she agrees with A. Sopher
that the board should not go with a number but just send a message verbally that IN it doesn't
work on this site it will not pass.
M. Young said she could support E. Jones' number.
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E. Jones asked if there are four people willing to talk numbers and asked what kind of numbers
the board is comfortable with.
A. Sopher asked if we are talking about 75,000 for the entire portion of the site or if we are
talking for public only.
K. Becker said RL-1 is going to be dictated by the compatible development so she thinks the
board is talking about public.
F. Jones said then we need to come up with a different number. She said she is fine with
separating the two. The number staff quoted for the potential square footage was in the
neighborhood of 105,000 on the flex portion. In light of the difficulty in coming up with a
specific number on the spot, E. Jones suggested an overall principle that the overall density of
the site will be compatible with the density of the neighborhood, and asked staff to say
something about TDM.
S. Riehstone said the board was going to come back to the intent language on the land uses
about the type of use the board would like to see.
E. Jones said this was to explain the land use and zoning which now reflects public that single
family development and congregate care and attached housing is an acceptable use of the public
zone on this site and that we retain public zoning to preserve future options for public uses. The
point is the board is not trying to discourage single family or congregate care uses on this site via
use review.
A. Sopher said we have modifications proposed to the staff recommendation.
Oji a motion by E. Jones, seconded by K. Becker (5-0, A. Shoemaker rccuse(l, W. Johnson
absent} the plannin4 board recommend to City Council adoption of the Junior Academy Area
Plan with the following modifications from the staff12roposal for the land use we have public
land use to the west and RL-1 to the east with 25-30 percent of the width of the lot and zoning,
we have a sin.gIe option that follows that map as well with public on the west and RL-1 on the
east: under access we have eliminated option one so option two is the only option, Language was
added to explain the intent of the land use and zoning and added redevelopment principles such
that the overall density must be compatible with the overall ncig,hborhood character and a staff
TDM principal.,
B. Holicky thanked the neighborhood for staying involved.
(A copy of the plan as approved by the board is attached to these minutes)
6. DISCUSSION ITEMS
A. Update on the Affordable Housing Review
Staff Presentation
R. Ray presented the item to the board.
7. MATTERS FROM THE PLANNING BOARD, PLANNING DIRECTOR,
AND CITY ATTORNEY
M. Young requested models for the Compatible Development Ordinance Planning Board
meeting on June 18.
8. DEBRIEF/AGENDA CHECK
E. Jones requested a debrief about Junior Academy.
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9. ADJOURNMENT
The Planning Board adjourned the meeting at 12:10 p.m.
APPROVED BY
Board Chair
DATE
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DRAFT
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Background Site Analysis
At its meeting of January 13, 2009, Planning Board and City Coun- The site is bound by Dakota Place to the north, Fourth Street to the
cil approved a public process to address comprehensive plan land east, the Mapleton Medical Center to the south, and city open space
use designations, zoning, housing types, massing, site access and to the west. A trailhead located immediately north of the site pro-
circulation patterns for the 5.84 acre site of the former junior Acad- vides access to the open space.
emy located at 2641 Fourth Street. The area planning process was
recommended to address City Council's desire for a public process Topographically the site is defined by a steep slope to the west with
for redevelopment sites that have been used historically for public significant views toward the north-west corner of the site and more
or semi-public uses such as schools and churches, and to address the limited views toward the Mapleton Medical Center. The north edge
inconsistency between the Comprehensive Plan land use designa- of the site is defined by the trail head and trail segment while the
tions and zoning. south edge is defined by a drainage ditch. The east edge, facing onto
the established residential neighborhood is defined by a hillside
Three public workshops and an open house were conducted in Janu- rising upward from Fourth Street to the more level benched portion
ary - April, 2009 to help develop a plan that addresses community located toward the center of the site.
concerns and objectives.
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Junior Academy Area Plan - DRAFT
Boulder Valley Comprehensive Plan Land Use
Designations and Zoning Plan Objectives
Community Engagement - Engage community members
The Boulder Valley Comprehensive in the area planning process, particularly those in the sur-
Plan (BVCP) land use designation rounding neighborhood.
Low Density indicates the desired future land use
Residential (LR)I Sensitive Infill
for the site and provides guidance
(Public (PUB) for zoning. The north half of the • Support and strengthen the surrounding neighbor-
study area parcel is designated Low hood through appropriate building scale and height;
compatible character, architecture, site design and
s Density Residential and the south density of new development; and sensitively de-
p a half is designated Public on the signed and sized rights-of-way.
` a o BVCP Land Use Map. The current • Define the acceptable amount of infill and redevelop-
a m zoning is not consistent with the ment with standards for design E 5m sr quality
in order to
smst o ; g BVCP designation with the western avoid or adequately mitigate negative impacts and
130 feet of the site zoned Public and enhance the benefits of additional infill and redevel-
6tn54 the rest zoned Low Density Resi- opment.
dential (RL-1). Research indicates
Figure 2: Existing BVCP Land Use Urban Design
that the site was zoned single family
residential prior to 1971 and was • Integrate new development with the existing neigh-
also designated Low Density Resi- borhood by relating positively to public streets,
sidewalks and paths; providing opportunities to walk
dential in the 1970 BVCP. The cur- from the street into the area; and incorporating well-
rent split land use designation has designed functional open spaces.
• been mapped since the 1977 BVCP • Development of the site should feel like a continua-
Poblic (P)', i 2 was approved. lion of the existing character along 4th Street.
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{ Environmental Protection - Hillside development will
avoid negative environmental consequences to the im-
mediate and surrounding area and the degrading of views,
t Residential Low 1 (RL•i )
s edges and vistas from and of public areas.
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Junior A cademy Area Plan - DRAFT"
Proposed Boulder Valley Comprehensive Plan
Plan Objectives - Continued Land Use Designation
Access and mobility A Public land use designation is proposed on approximately the
• Design new neighborhood streets in a well connected and western seventy percent of the area and a Low Density Residential
fine grained pattern of streets and alleys that extends the Land Use Designation is proposed on approximately the eastern
existing street grid to disperse and distribute vehicle traffic thirty percent. The Public land use designation is consistent with
and promote bike and pedestrian travel. the Public designation to the south and southwest. Public/ Semi-
• Mitigate traffic impacts that cause unacceptable community
public land use designation encompasses a wide range of public
or neighborhood impacts or unacceptable reduction in level
of service. Include strategies to reduce the vehicle miles and private non-profit uses that provide a community service. This
traveled (VMT) generated by the development. category includes municipal and public utility services and facilities,
• Integrate access to the open space trailhead into the neigh- educational facilities, government offices and facilities; government
borhood. laboratories; and nonprofit facilities such as cemeteries, churches,
• Provide easy and safe access by foot to neighborhood hospitals, and retirement complexes. The Low Density Residential
centers, community facilities, transit stops or centers, and designation is consistent with the land use designation to the sest
shared public spaces and amenities. and north and is consistent with the existing low density residential
• Ensure that new development and redevelopment is de- character of the surrounding neighborhood.
signed in a manner that is sensitive to social, physical and
emotional needs including accessibility to those with limited
mobility; provision of coordinated facilities for pedestrians, OS-A
bicyclists and bus-riders; and the provision of functional
landscaping and open space.
• Provide for a safe and efficient transportation network.
Housing Public/Semi-Public
• Further the city's affordable housing goals by providing
permanently affordable housing consistent with city policies oakota P1
and regulations.
Low Density Residential
• Encourage a mixture of housing types with varied price
ranges and densities that fit within the character of the
neighborhood. This could include congregate care, du- 41h 81
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Figure 4: Proposed SVCP Land Use
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Junior Academy Area Plan - DRAFT
Proposed Zoning Access Plan
Retention of the existing RL-1 zoning is proposed on the western Site access options are limited due to terrain and adjacent property
120 feet of the area and Public zoning is proposed on the remain- ownership. Steep terrain and city Open Space to the west preclude
in g, approximately 2$5 feet, consistent with the proposed Boulder the possibility of vehicular through access, any access proposed to the
Valley Comprehensive Plan land use designation. This would ex- south in alignment with Concord Avenue would require negotiation
pand the existing Public zoning on the site from the approximately with the adjacent property owner, and access possibilities to the north
130 feet of the western part of the site to an area a little more than are limited due to the steep grade of Valley View Drive/Dakota Place
double in size, and would reduce the area zoned RL-1 from ap- and the location of an existing public trail. Therefore, all available ac-
proximately 275 feet in depth to approximately 120 feet. cess options are served by 4th Street on the east side of the property.
Single family development, attached housing, and congregate care The recommended access plan provides two primary accesses in
are acceptable uses of the public zone on the site. Public zoning alignment with the alleys on the east side of 4th Street. This would
on a large portion of the site will preserve future options for public disperse traffic on 4th Street and slightly decrease the amount of
uses. traffic on Dewey. In order to enhance pedestrian and bicycle access
through the site, pedestrian and bicycle access in alignment with
Dewey is proposed.
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Redevelopment Principles
1. The hillside area in the northwest portion of the site will be preserved
and restored as appropriate. n
2. Single family detached houses will be located along the west side of Iris
Fourth Street and will be compatible and consistent with the surround-
ing neighborhood and reflect a continuity with the existing neighbor-
r
hood character:
Houses will vary in size and design, and conform with the outcome
• of the city's compatible development project. iur~mrG:•.~
• Re-grading of the site along 4th Street should improve the relative
elevation of new homes to existing houses on the east side of 4th
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Street.
• Garages for houses along 4th Street should be accessed from a rear
alley. t
3. Any larger buildings should be located on the southwest portion of the
site and generally consistent in size and height with buildings to the Houses should respell i..
south, and should be no more than three floors above finished grade. the character of the - - ?
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4. New buildings should respect and be compatible with the diverse Mapleton Hill
character of the Mapleton Hill neighborhood. Issues such as solar neighborhood.
orientation, shading, views and privacy should be addressed in the
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design process to facilitate the livability of these buildings and for a,
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adjacent properties.
S. Overall density on the site will be compatible with the overall density of
the neighborhood. J:7
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Figure 8: Illustrative 4th Street frontage
f' t Detailed design guidelines will be developed at the time of site
' review. Specific design elements to be encouraged include:
• Front porches, defined entries and active rooms facing the street
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Front Porches are are encouraged to create neighborliness and a friendly street
F frontage.
encouraged, and too much architectural Roof massing should be hierarchical, with a clear expression of pri-
ma and secondary masses. Gable, Gambrel, Hipped and Lift-up
be avcided, dormers are encouraged.
• Projecting architectural elements are encouraged; however, these
rrf~lit- ;u ► elements should be approached through simplicity of form.
Functional bays, turrets, dormers, and gable ends can help to
= break down the scale of buildings and soften the transition be-
tween houses. Deep eave overhangs and exposed rafter tails are
1 encouraged.
i r Building materials should reflect the neighborhood character and
= rt f a diversity of materials is encouraged including brick, stone, siding,
and wood shingles.
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