Minutes - Parks & Recreation - January 28, 2008City of Boulder
Parks and Recreation Advisory Board
Council Chambers,1777 Broadway, Boulder, CO 80302
Monday, January 28, 2008
Action Meeting Minutes
Board Present:
Stu Stuller, Norm Murphy, Joel Davidow, Pete Webber, Todd Bryan, Frances
Hartogh
Board Absent: Chad Julian
Staff Present:
Jan Geden, Alice Guthrie, Sally Dieterich, Abbie Novak, Sazah DeSouza, Jamie
Sabbach, Perry Brooks, A1 Quiller, Mike Gurrola, Teri Olander
Guests Present:
Cazol Adams, Studio Tena
The meeting was called to order at 6:00 p.m.
I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
The agenda was approved.
II. FUTURE BOARD ITEMS AND TOURS
Geden requested that the Mazch 24 PRAB meeting be rescheduled to March 31 to
accoxnmodate Spring Break.
Relative to Future Boazd Items, Davidow indicated his desire to have the
following items addressed in future CIP information presented to the PRAB:
1. Federal compliance requirements for projects
2. Risk management
3. Fund carry over
4. Fund breakdown
III. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION
There was no public participation.
IV. CONSENT AGENDA
Voting on the minutes from November 26, 2007 was postponed until Chair Stuller
arrived, necessary to approve the minutes of November 26, 2007.
VI. ITEMS FOR DISCUSSIONQNFORMATION
A. Update on the new Dakota Ridge Smaller Neighborhood Park
Gurrola provided a brief update on the status of this project.
The project will be put out to bid with ground breaking in the spring/summer of
2008. He said construction would take approximately 6 months and would be
completed in falllwinter of 2008/2009.
Guthrie indicated that the pazk will be funded as follows: $1 million is from the
118 fund and $200,000 from the lottery fund.
V. ITEMS FOR ACTION
A. Public Hearing and Consideration of Two Options for the Valmont City
Park Concept Plan
Staff made a short presentation on this topic. A public hearing was then
conducted.
Public Participation was opened.
Lesley Smith, 345 Evergreen Ave., Boulder, CO, 80304, spoke on the need for
year round indoor and covered tennis facilities.
Catherine Johnson, 3605 Table Mesa Drive, M-264, Boulder, CO, 80305, spoke
in favor of having specific cycling azeas in Valmont City Park.
John Bliss, 730 Hawthorne Ave., Boulder, CO, 80304, spoke in favor of
Cyclocross at Valmont City Pazk.
Bobby Noyes, 2439 l0a' St., Boulder, CO, 80304, spoke in favor of adding
cycling facilities on the north side at Valmont City Pazk.
Claire Douthit, P.O. Box 882, Boulder, CO, 80306, representing Boulder Tennis
Association, spoke in favor of including tennis facilities and lighted courts at
Valmont City Pazk.
Brandon Walton, 285 Spruce Ct., Boulder, CO, 80302, representing Boulder
Tennis Association, spoke in favor of adding tennis facilities at Valmont City
Pazk.
Mike Barrow, 802 Sherman St, Longmont, CO, 80501, representing Boulder
Mountain Bike Alliance, spoke in favor of cycling facilities at Valmont City Pazk.
John Bird, 1301 Lefthaud Dr., Boulder, CO, 80304, representing Mile High Disc
Golf, spoke in favor of having a disc golf course at Valmont City Pazk.
Elizabeth Train, 1507 Pine St., Boulder, CO, 80302, spoke in favor of including
cycling at Valmont City Park.
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Michael Degnan,1510 Mapleton Ave.,#A, Boulder, CO 80304, representing Grass
Roots Ultimate spoke in favor of adding multi use fields at Valmont City Park.
Jon Tazkington, 2870 18a' St., Boulder, CO, 80304, representing the American
Cycling Association, spoke in favor of Option A with a bike pazk.
Elizabeth Allen, no street address, Boulder, CO, 80301, spoke in favor of
including a Nordic skiing azea, an outdoor amphitheater and the water pazk.
Vikki Otero, 2845 Broadway, #206, Boulder, CO, 80304, representing Boulder
Rugby, spoke in favor of including multi use fields at Valmont City Pazk.
Jason Vogel, 3300 Bridger Trail, #111, Boulder, CO, 80301, representing Boulder
Mountainbike Alliance, spoke in favor of cycling at Valmont City Park.
Mark Bloomfield, 3333 O'Neal Pky., #1, Boulder, CO, 80301, representing Grass
Roots Ultimate submitted a letter expressing his support of multi use fields at
Valmont City Park.
Derek Sabatke, 2645 Kohler Dr., Boulder, CO, 80305 spoke in favor of multi use
fields and Option B at Valmont City Park.
Jason English, 5103 Williams Fork Trail, #205, Boulder, CO, 80301, spoke in
favor of Option B, permitting both cycling and disc golf.
Kendall Chutumber, 924 Hawthorne Ave., Boulder, CO, 80304, representing
Rocky Mountain Tennis Clubs, spoke in favor of a tennis facility at Valmont City
Park.
Stan Heedle, 764 W. Lob Ct., Louisville, CO, 80027, spoke in favor of cycling,
Nordic skiing and multi use fields at Valmont City Pazk.
John Schimel, 3237 Broadway, Boulder, CO, 80304, spoke in favor of disc golf
and multi use fields at Valmont and spoke against the water pazk.
Ellen DeMoney, 4220 Eutaw Dr., Boulder, CO, 80303, representing South
Boulder Little League spoke in favor of multi use fields. She asked about the
funding of the VCP project.
Matt Muir, 531 Maxwell Ave., Boulder, CO, 80304, representing the Boulder
Nordic Club spoke in favor of Nordic skiing corridors at Valmont City Pazk.
Marsha Fisher, 943 Eichhorn Dr., Erie, CO, 80516 spoke in favor of disc golf at
Valmont City Park.
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Tom Needy, 775 34~', Boulder, CO, 80303, spoke in favor of cycling on the north
side at Valmont City Park.
Logan Miller, 5155 Santa Claza Pl., #1, Boulder, CO, 80303, spoke in favor of
disc golf at Valmont City Pazk.
David Zuckerman, 1045 Albion Way, Boulder, CO, 80305, representing Grass
Roots Ultimate, spoke in favor of Option B and flat multi use fields at Valmont
City Pazk.
Michael Codrey, 217 S. Jefferson Ave., Louisville, CO, 80027, spoke in favor of
disc golf and ultimate Frisbee at Valmont City Pazk.
Scott Raderstorf, 517 Marine St., Boulder, CO, 80302, spoke in favor of Option
A, cross country skiing and cycling at Valmont City Pazk.
Spencer Lacy, 485 Arapahoe Ave., Boulder, CO, 80302, spoke in favor of Option
A with revisions and Nordic skiing at Valmont City Pazk.
Mason Lacy, 485 Arapahoe Ave., Boulder, CO, 80302, spoke in favor of Nordic
skiing, cycling and the water park at Valmont City Park.
Gary Lacy, 485 Arapahoe Ave., Boulder, CO, 80302, representing Friends of
Valmont City Pazk spoke in favor of Option A with eight revisions.
Elliott Higgins, 511 Mazine St., Boulder, CO, 80302, spoke in favor of cycling
and Nordic skiing at Valmont City Pazk.
John Crittenden, 4052 Crystal Ct., Boulder, CO, 80304, spoke in favor of Option
A with revisions and the north bike pazk.
Shane Sigle, 1911 4~' St., Boulder, CO, 80302, spoke in favor of option A with
the eight revisions set forth by the Friends of Valmont City Pazk.
Jeff Brown, 4168 Amber Pl., Boulder, CO, 80304, spoke in favor of Option A
with modifications to include disc golf. He also said he supports green building at
Valmont City Pazk.
Public participation was closed.
Guthrie spoke about the desire to build green at VCP, following LEED principles.
She said as they began the VCP Concept Plan update, staff looked at the ballot
language that provided for the purchase of the pazk. It stated that as this is the
only city park remaining to be built, that one of the goals was for it to include
active use activities.
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There was discussion relative to Option A and Option B and how a consensus
would be reached to present to City Council.
Geden indicated that amenities that staff included in both options were the
representation of recurring themes from the survey and other input mechanisms.
She said that the city doesn't have a lot of parks that can provide all the needs of a
very active community and that at some point difficult decisions will have to be
made.
Stoller asked the Board for suggestions as to their key concerns relative to the
proposed options and to see if they generate a consensus to relay to City Council.
Webber agreed to not have a formal motion, but perhaps a formal statement to
deliver to City Council at the February 12 study session. He suggested the
following: "That the Pazks and Recreation Advisory Board endorses and is
satisfied with the well organized public planning process that has occurred for the
past yeaz in developing these concept plans." Also that, "The public has voiced a
strong interest in action in implementing and the PRAB endorses the city to
develop ideas for implementing portions of the plan in the neaz term with one
possibility being developing the north side on a shortened time line."
Stoller felt there was not a lot of useful advice that the PRAB could provide to
City Council at this time. He said the Blue Ribbon Commission made clear that
the sun setting sales taxes need to be continued, including the .15 and .25 that
directly address Parks and Recreation. He questioned that if a bond is passed to
build the park, that isn't any guarantee there will be money to maintain the
park. He asked whether the City Council would be receptive to creating an
earmazked revenue stream for supporting and maintaining Valmont Park.
Davidow asked whether voters would support such a ballot initiative seeing
that it would most likely include controversial items. He questioned how often the
public could be asked to support ballot measures. He suggested that the PRAB not
make a set recommendation to City Council on funding sources, but to use the
CIP process.
Stoller suggested informing City Council that the revenue from the sale of the
Kentucky and Papini properties can go towazd the development of the North side
of Valmont Pazk and that this can be addressed in the CIP process.
Murphy questioned whether the Board should inform City Council that funds
have not been identified for the South portion of the pazk.
Guthrie asked if there was any comment on the basic park amenities listed on the
South side of the park plan such as picnic shelters and the lazge accessible
playground. Pazk shelters can be rented and staff felt it important to provide a
large accessible playground.
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Stoller reminded everyone that the PRAB's chazge is to make a
recommendation to City Council regazding Valmont City Pazk. He felt the
meeting's discussion had been good and he felt proud to take the recommendation
to City Council. He indicated that he would get a draft of the Board's
recommendation to staff by Wednesday.
The PRAB recommendations created fox the }oint City CouncillPRAB study
session on February 12, 2008 were:
• The PRAB recognizes and endorses the planning process developed by the
Department and expresses its appreciation to the staff and members of the
community who participated in the Valmont Pazk Advisory group (VPAG), and
the Community members who provided input through surveys and at the various
public meetings of the VPAG and the PRAB.
• Given the public involvement and excitement generated by the process, the PRAB
sees a need for prompt, tangible action at Valmont, but also recognizes that
funding cunrently is not available for development of the pazk, meaning that
development inevitably will occur in phases.
• Given the strong public support for a bike park, including support from various
cycling organizations, as well as the long tenor identification of Boulder with
cycling, the PRAB proposes that the initial phase of development focus on
establishing a bike pazk in the north pazcel of the pazk with the design to be
cautious of conflicts that might azise from establishing passive recreation within
an active recreation area. The north side development also should include
redeveloping the existing dog park.
• While development funding is not currently available, the PRAB notes that,
beginning in 2009, the Depantment will receive one-time revenue over a three
year period from the sale of the Kentucky and Papini properties. Such revenue,
together with other funding sources, might be available for developing the north
parcel. Funding pniorities should be set and approved through the normal system-
wide capital improvements process.
• While no funding is available for the development of the south pazcel, the PRAB
has the following recommendations for its future development:
• The PRAB endorses the concept of designing flexibility of uses for turf fields
represented in Option A that allows for a broader range of activities and that such
fields be lighted to maximize the hours of use.
• The PRAB endorses the concept pf placing an outdoor amphitheater in the
proximity of "the knoll," as represented (with some vaziation) in both Options A
and B, as well as establishing a picnic area and accessible playground as
represented in both Options.
• The PRAB endorses pursuing the vision of a water/aquatics area and recommends
that staff investigate and develop design concepts that reflect visual compatibility
with the rest of the pazk within a framework that is financially feasible, including
the possibility of being operated in a revenue positive fashion, while respecting
environmental constraints and values.
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• Recognizing the fmancial constraints facing the City, the development of indoor
facilities for activities such as tennis, volleyball, basketball, ice skating, and the
performing arts will best be achieved through public-private partnerships.
Therefore, the PRAB encourages Council to take steps to enhance those
relationships specifically including revisiting the issue of amending the City
Charter provision that places a twenty year limit on land leases. Further, the
PRAB recommends that selection of such facilities consider the extent to which
the facility can contribute to the economic vitality of the City.
• Recognizing that Nordic skiing is a valued, but weather-dependent, activity in the
Boulder community, the overall park design should be cognizant of maintaining
contiguous corridors that would be suitable for groomed Nordic skiing when
conditions allow.
VII. MATTERS FROM THE DEPARTMENT
A. Update on the City Manager's Work Group on Recreation Financing
Geden gave a brief update on the project. She highlighted the following: the
information sharing phase is complete, including the RAF Analysis and the
Benchmarking Analysis. She said the group is now meeting twice monthly and
are beginning the deliberation process to use the information to make
recommendations to the City Manager. She indicated Davidow is working with
the facilitator to hone a process to provide meaningful feedback to the City
Manager.
B. Update on department meetings with aquatics groups
Geden gave a brief verbal update on the status of these meetings. This summer
season, as a pilot project the department will lower lane fees at Scott Carpenter
pool from $26.91 per lane per hour to $20.00 per lane per hour. After the summer
ends the department will assess the impact on revenue. All groups will also be
offered an opportunity to hold an event at one of the facilities during non peak
times at no additional fee. The event would be pre arranged at least three months
in advance and at a time when the event would have the least impact on public
use. The department will also work with groups to develop potential volunteer
opportunities that could result in credits toward rental fees at $10.00 per person
per hour.
Geden answered that with the lower fees BAM would be able to increase their
usage of the pool.
Geden also said that this meeting would be Recreation Superintendent Jamie
Sabbach's last meeting. She thanked Jamie officially for her work for the past five
years. She also said that she made a significant contribution to the recreation
division that resulted in a $1,000,000 fund balance in the RAF and new programs
and services. Geden said she wanted to publicly thank Jamie for everything she
has done. She will be missed.
Stoller, Hartogh and Davidow also thanked Sabbach for her service.
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VIII. MATTERS FROM BOARD MEMBERS
A. Discussion of Board operating procedures and next steps
Davidow provided a brief verbal update on the status of this item. He thanked
Hartogh for her input that resulted in making a good document better. He
indicated that the City Attorney's office will review the document before it is
voted on by the Boazd.
Murphy made a motion to table the item. Webber seconded the motion. The
motion carried.
With Chair Stoller now present the Boazd voted to approve the November 26,
2007 minutes as written.
IX. NEXT BOARD MEETING:
The Board voted to reschedule the Mazch 24, 2008 Boazd meeting to Mazch 31,
2008.
X. ADJOURN
The meeting adjourned at 11:15 p.m.
APPROVED BY PARKS AND
RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD
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Stu Stoller
Board Chair
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Recording Secretazy
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