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HomeMy WebLinkAbout5A - Consideration of a Landmark Alteration Certificate for 1928 14th St. (HIS2008-00008) - to rehabilitate the west face of a non...nstall a rooftop photovoltaic solar systemMEMORANDUM February 6'h, 2008 TO: Landmarks Preservation Advisory Board FROM: Susan Richstone, Acting Long Range Planning Manager James Hewat, Historic Preservation Planner Marcy Cameron, Historic Preservation Intern Chris Meschuk, Historic Preservation Planner SUBJECT: Public hearing and consideration of a landmark alteration certificate to rehabilitate the west face of a non-contributing building and install a rooftop photovoltaic solar system at 192814°ki Street in the Downtown Historic District per Section 9-11-18 of the Boulder Revised Code (HIS2008- 00008). Applicant/Owner: Kristin Lewis. STATISTICS: 1. Site: 2. Zoning: 3. Owner/Applicant: 4. Lot Size: 5. Proposed construction: 6. Historic District: 192814~'' Street DT-4 (Downtown-4) Kristin Lewis 846 sq. ft. Remodel fa~ade Downtown Historic District STAFF RECOMMENDATION: Staff recommends that the Landmarks Board adopt the following motion: The Landmarks Preservation Advisory Board approves the landmark alteration certificate to rehabilitate the west fa~ade and install photovoltaic panels on the roof of the non-contributing building located at 192814w Street in the Downtown Historic District in that the proposed construction meets the requirements set forth in Chapter 9-11-18, B.R.C. 1981, subject to the conditions below, and adopts this memorandum as findings of the board. Aeenda Item #SA Paee #1 S:~PLAN~dataVongrangW IS'MLTCERTSWistoric Districts~DownTown\14th.1928~02.06.08 LPAB Memo.doc CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL 1. The applicant shall be responsible for ensuring that the development shall be constructed in compliance with all approved plans on file in the City of Boulder Planning Department, except as modified by these conditions of approval. 2. Prior to a building permit application, the Applicant shall submit, subject to the final review and approval of the Planning Director final architectural plans showing details regarding colors and materials. The applicant shall demonstrate that the design details are in compliance with the intent of this approval and the General Design Guidelines. 3. The applicant shall submit additional information concerning the proposed installation of photovoltaic panels on the building, to be reviewed by the Landmark design review committee prior to approval. This recommendation is based upon staff's opinion that with the conditions listed above, the proposed construction will be generally consistent with the conditions as specified in Section 9-11-18(a)&(b)(1-4) B.R.C., the General Design Guidelines. SUMMARY: • The two-story, red brick building was constructed between 1896 and 1900, but is not considered a contributing resource to the downtown Historic District due to the extent of alterations. • Plans for a rehabilitated store front were approved by the Design Review Committee on December 14, 2007. See Attachment B: Apt?roved Mans • An application for a different window configuration and new photovoltaic panels on the roof was received on January 11, 2008. • The building facade has been entirely altered, and is mostly covered with metal siding, with the original brick extant on the first floor only. There are currently no windows above the first floor. Agenda Item #5A Paee #2 S:\PLAMdataVongrangUilS'MLTCERTSUiistoriC Dis[ricts\DownTOwn\14th.1928\02.06.08 LPAB Memo.doc DISTRICT AND PROPERT HISTORY: The Downtown Historic District was designated in 1999. It contains the city's greatest concentration of historic commercial buildings, especially along Pearl Street which forms its central spine. These buildings not only serve as a link with Boulder's cultural heritage, they also establish a model for design quality. Such buildings are resources for education, recreation, and human enjoyment. They provide downtown with a rich character and human scale that are unique assets for both residents and visitors to Boulder. ~ 1, t ,_v N ~ , ~ P - , X44' 1 ~r~' ~ 44 ~ ~ f t~ ` ~ ~ , ,f ~ s ~ ~i , ~ 1`t_ ' ' ~ 1 i _ 1. _ -'l c- L - , ~ - ~ j _ `1 ~ti 1 Figure 1. Location Map, 1928 14th Street (highlighted) Little historic information on the building was revealed during the 1988 survey. However, examination of Sanborn maps shows that in 1900 it housed the W.F. Stewart harness sho on the ground level and rooms to let on the a er-stories. 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Interior of 1928 14~t~ Street c 1920's during use as Jean's Restaurant. Non-contributing Buildings are defined in the Downtown Urban Design Guidelines as either "buildings built during the district's period of significance that have been altered to such an extent that historic information is not interpretable and restoration is not possible" or "building erected after 1946 which are not individually significant". The building at 1928 14th Street falls under the first category. The extent of alterations on the facade undertaken in the 1960s has diminished the historic integrity of the building. REQUEST FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION: Plans for the remodeling of the facade of this non-contributing building were approved by the Landmarks design review committee on December 5, 2007. The current application is for a different configuration of the second-story windows on the facade (west elevation) and the addition of photovoltaic panels and does not include work currently underway on the storefront and south elevation of the building which was approved during the December 2007 review. Agenda Item #SA PaQe #4 S:\VLAN\dataUonorang\HIS'11ALTCERTS\Historic Districts\DownTownU4th.1928\02.06.08 LPAB Memo.doc f ~ j ~ ~ n ~ x~ y ~ y ~ ~ rn '~rt?""{ y. 3 13{ )J S , ? d~"~3( Y~ Z`~~ S # ' 4"r 5# " y-~ . 4 ~ ~~~y 3Nkmk A ""'u~q ~ tit ~ P ~ ~ ~ , w °s ~~'tz~r~' Y~ ~ ~ a ti ~ ~ ~ ~ s - ,t ~ ~ S.a k. liiw , 3 "e :~r. Figure Lxistin~; block of 11"' Strect, ?(l0i E ~ " ~ ~ - - - - - - wu~~+ ----------uaewasar~'+ u,_ i ii i M~ i ~ sTO~ewc«s i tirs.>~rE~ ~ rr.~j a.e~~non ~b Figure 5. 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Proposed West Elevation Agenda Item #SA Page #7 S:\PLAN\data\longang\HIS7IALTCERTS\Historic Distric[slDownTown\14th.1928\02.06.08 LPAB Memo.doc CRITERIA FOR THE BOARD'S DECISION: The Historic Preservation Ordinance specifies that a Landmark Alteration Certificate may not be approved by the Board or City Council unless it meets the conditions specified in Section 9-11-18 B.R.C. Specifically: (a) The landmarks board and the city council shall not approve an application for a landmark alteration certificate unless each such agency finds that the proposed work is consistent with the purposes of this chapter. (b) Neither the landmarks board nor the city council shall approve a landmark alteration certificate unless it meets the following conditions: (1) The proposed work preserves, enhances, or restores and does not damage or destroy the exterior architectural features of the landmark or the subject property within an historic district; (2) The proposed work does not adversely affect the special character or special historical, architectural, or aesthetic interest or value of the landmark and its site or the district; (3) The architectural style, arrangement, texture, color, arrangement of color, and materials used on existing and proposed structures are compatible with the character of the existing landmark and its site or the historic district. ANALYSIS 1. Does the proposed application preserve, enhance, or restore, and not damage or destroy significant exterior architectural features of the landmark or the subject property within an historic district? Response: Staff finds the proposed remodeling is consistent with the Downtown Urban Design Guidelines (see design guidelines analysis section) and will not compromise the architectural features of the non-contributing property in the historic district. The proposed asymmetrical arrangement of the second-story windows reflects a contemporary character, while referencing traditional qualities in the proportion of each double-hung sash, the chosen facade materials, and the general proportion of solid wall to glazed area. Aeenda Item #SA Paee #8 S:\PLAN\dato\IongrangWISTALTCERTSWistoric Districts\DownTown\14th.1928\02.06.08 LPAB Memo.doc 2. Does the proposed application adversely affect the special character or special historic, architectural, or aesthetic interest or value of the property or district? Response: Staff finds that given the traditional proportions of proposed double-hung windows, choice of materials, and ratio of glazed to solid wall area, the proposed asymmetrical placement of the second floor windows will not adversely affect the special character of the non-contributing property or the Downtown Historic District. 3. Is the architectural style, arrangement, texture, color, arrangement of color, and materials used on existing and proposed structures compatible with the character of the historic district? Response: The staff finds the arrangement, materials, and colors, will be compatible with the architecture, arrangement, texture, color, arrangement of color, and materials on historic buildings in the district. 4. The Landmarks Board is required to consider the economic feasibility of alternatives, incorporation of energy-efficient design, and enhanced access for the disabled in determining whether to approve a Landmark Alteration Certificate. Response: While photovoltaic panels have been proposed on the roof of the building, no details were submitted with the current application. Details regarding this aspect of the project will need to be submitted for review by the Landmarks Design Review Committee in a separate Landmark Alteration Certificate application. 5. Is the proposed application consistent with the purposes of Chapter 9-11, "Historic Preservation," B.R.C. 1981? Response: The proposal respects the character of the setting, maintains the form, proportion, mass and scale of architectural elements found in the area, and maintains an appropriate ratio of wall area to glazing on the facade of the building. DESIGN GUIDELINES: The Historic Preservation Ordinance sets forth the standards the Landmarks Board must apply when reviewing a request for a Landmark Alteration Certificate. The Board has adopted the Downtown Urban Design Guidelines to help interpret the historic preservation ordinance. The following is an analysis of the proposed new construction with respect to relevant guidelines. Design A¢enda Item #SA Paee #9 S\PLAN\da[aVongrangVilS'MLTCERTSViis[oric Dis[rids\DownTown\14th.1928\02.06.08 LPAB Memo.doc guidelines are intended to be used as an aid to appropriate design and not as a checklist of items for compliance. The following is an analysis of the proposal's compliance with the appropriate sections of the Downtown Design Guidelines. DOWNTOWN URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES 1.2 Guidelines for New Construction and Remodeling Non-Contributing Buildings in the Downtown Historic District While new building design is expected to reflect the character of its own time, thereby making the downtown a living district, it is important that it also respect the traditional qualities that make the downtown unique such as massing, scale, uses of storefront detailing and choice materials. 1.2.1 Incorporate Traditional Design Elements in New Designs A. Kick plate as a base to the store front. Kick plate aligns with others on YES Align height with others in block. block. First floor display windozt~. Align with First floor display window aligns YES height of others in the block when others kith others on the block. are appropriately placed. C. Incorporate a clerestory form in the N/A N/A display window. I~. Transom, align with others when others Transom windows align with YES are appropriately placed. others On the block. E, Provide for a sign band. Signboard not shown. MAYBE F, Provide for parapet cap or cornice. Concrete cornice molding shown YES in plans. G. Vertical window patterns/shapes on 2^~ The second-story glazing MAYBE floor; provide for angled entrances on consists of a gang of three corners and recessed central entrances. double-hung sash located asymmetrically at south. Each of three panes maintains traditional proportion. Proportion of glazed Agenda Item #SA PaQe #10 S:\PLAN\data\longrangU-11ST1ALTCERTSU-listoric Districts\DownTown\14th.1928\02.06.08 LPAB Memo.doc to solids on second-story consistent with that found on historic buildings in the area. Muntins of the second story window align with the muntins of the transom window on the first floor, strengthening the verticality of the window pattern. 1.2.2 Align Arcltitectttral Feat~trres With the Established Patterns of Neighb~rirtg Btaildir:gs ~hhc aligrinter~tof ar~chilec~hrral features 'T'he pr0170SEd W1fldOW YES from one building to another creates configuration and placement, visual continuity and establishes a though non-traditional, coherant visual context throughout the downtown. Facades should be designed to maintains visual continuity reinforce these patterns and support the throughout the block. The established visual character. assymetrieal location of the gang of three windows is appropriate on this building given its location at the end of the block. ,Maintain the- Lirr.e of Store_frunts at the Sidewalk Edge and Orient Mrtin Entrmices Open Tozt~ard the 1'2'~ St,-eet Maintain similar setback to that of The building setback is not YES historic buildings in the area - carefitl altered. consideration should be given if a building wall is proposed setback bei/ond that o tltc historic attern. 1.2.4 Do Nut Construct Herlf Level or Split-Level FirstFloors 7itat Extend Above ar~d BeIozp Grgde. It is irtapprohriate to corrsh~rrct half-]czxrl Building maintains h1St01•ic form. YES or split Ievei first floors that extend above grid bclozv grade. 1.2.5 Consider the Height and Mass of Buildings. In general, buildings should appear similar in height, mass, and scale to other buildings in the historic area to maintain the area's visual integrity and unique character whileproviding a variety of heights to create visual interset. One, two and three story buildings make-up the primar architectural fabric, with taller buildin s located at ke intersections. Agenda Item #5A Pai;e #ll S:\PLAN\data\longrangU-IIST\ALTCERTS1Historic Districts\DownTownU4th.1928102.06.08 LPAF3 Memo.doc A. Strive for visual interest in The building form does not YES building forms. change, and is consistent with the surroundin buildin s. B. Relate the height of buildings to Building height does not change, YES neighboring buildings at the and is consistent with the sidewalk ed e. surroundin buildin s. C. Consider the effect of building Building height does not change, YES height on shading and views. and is consistent with the surr~>unding buildings. 1.2.6 Maintain a Human Scale Rather Than a Monolithic or Monumental Scale Smaller scale buildings and the Proposed traditional materials, MAYBE use of traditionally sized proportions and glazed area to building components help solid wall establish a human establish human scale and scale. Though the ganged maintain the character of window configuration not dozuntozun. Standard size brick, typical for the district, staff uniform building components, considers that proposed remodel and standard window sizes are is contemporary yet referential of most appropriate. traditional material, proportions, and glazed vs. solid facade r~~fi~~~. Maintain the Proportions of Storefront Windows And Doors and F,stablished 1 2 ~ Pattern of Upper Story Windows. First floor of downtown The first floor is primarily MAYBE corntnercial buildings should be transparent and is consistent primarily transparent with with the guidelines. The second pedestrian orientation and floor window configuration storefront appearance. Upper maintains a traditional ratio of floors should incorporate glass and solid mass, but it is set traditional vertically in an asymmetric pattern. Each proportioned window openings of the three proposed windows within a more solid facade. Use in upper-gang traditionally windows similar in size and proportioned. shape to those used traditonally. Agenda Item #SA Page #]2 ti~PL:1~\daCi\I~~nuan~\HIti"I\.ALT('IiRTS~I Ifst~xic I)istriet~Al h~~~nTu« n'~ I-lih l9?~~.I1' nb_0~ LI':At~ '~temn.d~~c ~ 1 2 8 Maintain the Rhythm Established by the Repetition of the Traditiona125 foot facade storefront widths. Maintain the rhythm of facade The rhythm of facade widths is YES widths, especially for projects primarily maintained by the that extend over several lots, by design of the first floor in a changing materials, patterns, recessed alcove, differing reveals, building setbacks, facade materiality, higher second floor proportions, or by using design division, and yet maintains elements such as columns or similar proportions to other pilasters, buildings on the block. 1.2.9 Use Building Materials that have Texture Pattern and Scale Similar to Those in the District. The use of brick as the primary Brick is proposed to match MAYBE building material is encouraged existing. Accent material is to reflect historic patterns in the similar in scale, and texture. commercial downtown. Choose Materiality has not changed since accent materials similar in the approved plans. texture and scale to others in the district. 1.2.10 Improve Rear or Side Alley Elevations to Enhance Public Access From Parkin Lots and Alte s. Where buildings are huildi~tg to The south elevation will remain YES alley edge, consider as is, with the exception of three opportunities for alley display new windows, which have windows and secondary entries. elements similar to existing New construction should be windows. The south facade has sensitive to and compatible with not changed from the approved historic alleyscapes in terms of plans. scale and character of the building. While the proposed second-story window configuration contemporary and of this time it is also contextual and reference historic proportions, materials, and ratios of glazed area to solid found on historic buildings in the district. Such a treatment would likely not be appropriate on a building in the middle of a block or one that continues the rhythm in height. However, this non-contributing building breaks the rhythm (in height) and acts as a book end to the block and for this reason design latitude as proposed seems appropriate. For these reasons, staff considers that the design will not detract but will be compatible with the A;;enda Item #SA Pa;;e #13 S:\PLAN\data\longang\HIST\ALTCERTS\Historic Districts\DownTown\14th.1928102.06.08 LPAB Memo.doc historic district per historic preservation ordinance and is generally consistent with the Downtown Urban Historic Guidelines (See guideline analysis). FINDINGS: Provided the conditions outlined in the staff recommendation are met, staff recommends that the Landmarks Board adopt the following findings: 1. The proposed facade remodel will not have an adverse effect on the special character and special historical, architectural and aesthetic interest and value of the district, as it will be compatible in terms of mass, scale, or orientation with other buildings in the district. 2. The proposed design will not have an adverse effect on the special character and special historic, architectural and aesthetic interest and value of the district. 3. In terms of mass, scale, and orientation the proposed facade rehabilitation is generally consistent with Section i(1-10), of the Downtown Urban Design Guidelines. ATTACHMENTS: Attachment A: Letter from Applicant Attachment B: Approved Plans Attachment C: Proposed Plans Attachment D: Photographs Attachment E: Landmark Design Review Committee Comments Agenda Item #SA Paee #14 S:\PLAN\da[aVOngrangUilST\ALTCERTSWis[oric Districts\DownTownU 4[h.1928\02.06.08 LPAB Memo.doc Attachment A James Hewat -1928 14th St From: "Kristin Lewis" To: "'James Hewat"' , "Chris Meschuk" Date: 1/31/2008 11:44 AM Subject: 1928 14th St Greetings James and Chris, I realized I should have given you some additional information when we turned in the map and streetscape. Here are the points that I think relevant to our proposal. We have a unique building in that it is the only historic 3 story structure on the block. The adjacent buildings are all two story with tall storefront windows. After demolition, we determined that the original building was one story. The second level was placed beneath the old roof and the third level built up from that. The existing ceiling heights on the first and second level are about 7 ft. 4 inches which is lower than current codes allow. The original storefront has been completely removed so the building is listed as noncontributing. Our intent is to respect the two story buildings on the rest of the block and we are doing this by stepping back the interior second floor level 10 ft. from 14th street to allow larger windows at the main level. On the third level we are bringing the new window sills to within 6 inches of the finish floor and aligning the head heights with the existing windows on the alley. This will not align the new windows with the other ones along 14th Street but it will improve the connection to those buildings. Our building only has a potential 18 ft. of new facade and is at the end of the block. It is on the edge of the Landmark district and transitions to new construction and much larger sites and massing. After providing new access to the second level and access to the retail space we are left with a 9 ft. storefront window. The design has already been approved by LAPD design review committee so the only part we are asking to be reviewed is the second level window design. The currently approved three separate windows is very busy when looked at in context as they cannot align with the rest of the block. (They are higher) A far better solution is to center a group of three windows over the new storefront. This provides an anchor to the alley and is a better transition to our south facade. We have aligned the new storefront with the other historic buildings on the block and have symmetrically placed the new third level windows above the new storefront. The second level window examples we submitted show there are many similar examples in the historic district. The new access to the building is in an eight and one half foot recess and is set off by the brick plane above that will connect in color to the adjacent buildings. On the south side 18 inches of brick is painted and it extends to about 12 feet along the south side of the building. We are not intending to remove the paint. Our new storefront and proposed second level windows will start at this painted strip of wall on the front. The other side is unpainted brick and will connect to the adjacent buildings. Additionally, we are using cast stone detailing to connect our building with the adjacent historic buildings. I will admit to being surprised by the design review committee meeting since our building is non-contributing and we have paid close attention to existing historic detailing while still maintaining a more contemporary look to our building. At that time we did not come in with information about the context so are hopeful that a better examination of the context will convince the full board to back our proposal. I believe there is an opportunity in our revised second level plan to have a much better resolution of fenestration that cannot align with the existing context. Due to the construction schedule, the approved storefront material will have already been ordered. The third level windows will not be fabricated until reviewed at the LAPD meeting. Please let me know if there is any additional information you need from us or any suggestions you have for our presentation. Sincerely, Agenda Ibm# SA ~f I S file://C:\Documents and Settings\Hewajl\Local Settings\TempC rage ~ of ~ Kristin Kristin A. Lewis Kristin Lewis Architects 1928 14th Street #300 Boulder, CO 80302 Phone:(303)449-5747 Fax: (303)447-2843 Agenda Ibm #~Pegs file://C:\Documents and Settings\Hewajl\Local Settings\Temp\XPgrpwise\47A1B4A7C0... 1/31/2008