07.15.21 TAB-PB MinutesCITY OF BOULDER
PLANNING BOARD & TRANSPORTATION ADVISORY BOARD
JOINT-BOARD WORK SESSION ACTION MINUTES
July 15, 2021
Virtual Meeting
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PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT:
Jorge Boone
David Ensign, Chair
John Gerstle
Lupita Montoya
Sarah Silver
TRANSPORTATION ADVISORY BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT:
Tila Duhaime, Chair
Robert Hutchinson
Mark McIntyre
Alex Weinheimer
BOARD MEMBERS ABSENT:
Lisa Smith, Planning Board
Peter Vitale, Planning Board
Ryan Schuchard, Transportation Advisory Board
STAFF PRESENT:
Jacob Lindsey, Director of Planning & Development Services
Hella Pannewig, Assistant City Attorney
Cindy Spence, Administrative Specialist III
Holly Opansky, Administrative Specialist III
Meredith Schleske, Administrative Specialist II
Jean Gatza, Senior Planner
Kathleen King, Senior Planner
Chris Hagelin, Senior Transportation Planner
Natalie Stiffler, Deputy Director of Public Works
Jean Sanson, Senior Transportation Planner
Erika Vandenbrande, Director of Public Works, Transportation
CONSULTANTS:
Jay Renkens, MIG, Inc.
Mark De La Torre, MIG, Inc.
Josh Mehlem, Apex Design, PC
Rachel Shindman, Economic & Planning Systems
1. CALL TO ORDER
Chair, D. Ensign, declared a quorum at 6:04 p.m. and the following business was conducted.
2. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION
No one spoke.
3. DISCUSSION ITEMS
A. AGENDA TITLE: East Boulder Subcommunity Plan Joint-Board Work Session to provide
feedback on the Community Review Draft of the East Boulder Subcommunity Plan.
Staff Presentation:
K. King and J. Sanson presented the item to the board.
Consultant Presentation:
M. De La Torre and J. Renkens presented the item to the board.
Board Questions:
K. King, J. Sanson, R. Shindman and J. Renkens answered questions from the board.
Board Comments:
Key Issue #1: Do boards support the recommended Land Use Plan?
• J. Boone said the proposed work looks and sounds great. He would like the definition of ‘light
industrial’ to be much tighter in order for him to be supportive. He said what the market may be
doing vs. what the community is actually doing may differ. Since ‘High Tech Office’ use would
be a permissible use within this area, he believed that would exacerbate the jobs housing
imbalance and it would continue to eliminate the light industrial use as well. The proposed
increase in housing is great. However, if the doubling or more of jobs that could exist in the
proposed area, then it would be taking Boulder backwards in terms of in-commuting. That would
be detrimental in terms of the jobs housing imbalance. He would like to separate the ideal from
what will happen and try to isolate what could happen and address it.
• T. Duhaime said she found it informative and she would support the proposed plan. She did
expect it to be industrial uses and to exclude office uses. There is a preference to keep some light
industrial uses but to also include a lot of service industry things that are difficult to define. She
would like to see the expansion of mixed use of development in general, which is missing
throughout Boulder. This will increase flexibility of thinking, permitting, using spaces
differently, and a step in the right direction.
• D. Ensign said that from a land use perspective, he was in support. The land use is a higher level
of designation and defining new categories are being done to meet new demands. The concerns
expressed are valid. It will be important to get more granular as it moves forward. The ‘place
types’ were more informative and with those the city can start looking at more granular
percentages of different uses which the city would like to see and may have new zoning districts
which would help address some of the concerns around office use and give flexibility to address
those concerns. He said MUI made sense and MUTOD would be needed in this city transit-
oriented zone. Its would be a positive move if Boulder takes that step.
• J. Gerstle agreed with J. Boone. He had concerns with what would happen with the industrial
areas that would get redeveloped. He said the use codes need to be controlled before he would
support the proposed land use plan. He said it should be explicit how the residential activity
takes place. He was particularly concerned about the decision of how much would be devoted to
high density stacked flat developments and how much would be allocated to missing middle
developments. Third, the Valmont power plant and airport areas need to be explicitly discussed
in the land use plan. Regarding the airport, there should be a discussion about what would
happen in the long term. The power plant discussion should be aware of clean up concerns and
the water rights of the lake will be held by Xcel or public service until sold.
• M. McIntyre wanted to honor the work of staff and the working group. The proposal represents
a lot of hard work and he was generally in support. Regarding connections, he has concluded that
a simple map showing all the non-automotive connections with the gaps highlighted and another
map showing how the gaps would be treated would be very helpful. The current mapping was
challenging. Regarding land use, and in light of the city’s latest climate commitment, he did not
see any serious commitments, under the land use design, that change the built environment in
ways that have quantifiable bike/ped trips that could be shifted from vehicles, and what that
would do to our VMT. The city has aggressive goals when it comes to climate, but the current
plans do not fully address climate commitment.
• L. Montoya was concerned regarding the direction this project would take by looking at the land
use that would allow to increase the gap between the housing needs and job creation. In addition,
industrial use spaces are becoming fewer. She said there should be some restrictions or clear
guidelines in place to be supportive.
• S. Silver was in support J. Boone, J. Gerstle and L. Montoya. She hoped that this area would
be the mixing together of light industrial, however she thought it would most likely be offices
and residential. In the mixed-use industrial framing, there was the assumption that there would
be permanently affordable housing in this area. She was unclear why the city would be placing
low- and moderate-income residents into light industrial areas at a time when the city has been
talking about racial equity and environmental justice. She added that more missing middle forms
of housing should be introduced into the city and the EBSP would be an opportunity to do that.
Those forms should be for middle income and low- and moderate-income families. She said
there needs to be a separation of housing from what would be heavy industry.,
• A. Weinheimer said that he was supportive overall of the land use plan. He said that as
redevelopment occurs, he would like to see access to more structured parking rather than surface
lots or free on-street parking.
Key Issue #2: Do boards support the recommended Connections Plan?
• T. Duhaime was generally in support of the connections plan. She said that this would be a
change to build a fresh plan. The enhancements shown highlight where the city has not thought
about connectivity adequately in the past regarding connectivity with different modes. She would
like to see more attention paid to fixing past mistakes, in particular connecting to the office parks
or to the Flat Iron Business Park, more directly or welcoming. She was unclear if this plan were
being treated as a twenty-year plan because the next TMP update would come along much
sooner than that. She said that 55th Street is currently a huge barrier and there does not appear to
be enough effort currently in this connection plan to correct that. To recommend a corridor study
for it and to make it a complete street at some point in the future was unsatisfying. She would
like to see the rethinking of 55th Street done sooner. It should operate as an arterial roadway. The
focus on micro-mobility fleets and mini-transit hubs are interesting thoughts. She said that they
tend to overlook the use of privately owned micro mobility devices which are currently on the
streets. She said the focus should be on a more urgent matter on bigger changes that would lead
the city to bigger impacts toward greenhouse climate initiatives as part of the connections plan.
• D. Ensign agreed with T. Duhaime. He added that the city is still early in the plan. He did not
want to be too conservative regarding transportation. If more vehicle circulation were
implemented in the STAMP area, he would prefer they were de-emphasized. He asked to keep
thinking about the circulation and emphasizing the pedestrian and bike activity within the transit
core and to stay within the vision to be welcoming, exciting and to go without your single
occupancy vehicle.
• J. Gerstle agreed with the previous comments. He said the challenge would be to not be too
conservative. He was concerned with making this area are of town feel as if it is a part of
Boulder and not isolated. He asked how the city could do more to integrate this area with more
bike paths and crossing the Foothills Highway.
• M. McIntyre said that his previous comments regarding connections were still valid. He would
like a better map to assist with planning real connections and identifying gaps.
• L. Montoya wanted to make sure that any proposals would be more deliberate in how more
vulnerable communities would be treated. She would like to include in this development
elements that integrate communities which can usually be disconnected. She would like to see
integration.
• S. Silver supported the previous comments. The micro mobility ideas are not necessarily utilized
by families and that should be kept in mind. She said families need to be considered.
• A. Weinheimer said this plan does a good job of building a grid where one does not currently
exist. That would in itself would ease pressure on the nearby arterial streets and create a more
walkable area. The network as shown supports the proposed land uses and it would be doing so
without any great expenditures. There are currently few north/south arterials in town and they are
vital for people biking and walking. Therefore, 55th Street would be critical to take a closer look
at. The current rendering for 55th Street does not appear that imaginative and the city would want
to align with best practices for safety, reconstruct it with safer facilities, and back of curb for
bike and pedestrians. He hoped to see low-cost opportunities called out in the ninety percent
draft. An area of opportunity for coordination would be the placement of transit stops with three
developments and with the upcoming east Arapahoe multi-use path project. Overall, he was
supportive of this network and it could be best communicated with a single map which would
show not just the projects that have come up through this effort, but overlays those on top of the
already plans TMP projects perhaps that could differentiate between the two.
• J. Boone said his concern was to mitigate in-commuting with land use as it currently stands. He
would like to understand the data surrounding this plan and how the city would be getting people
off the road, meeting the climate change goals, and making sure there would be no housing jobs
imbalance.
Key Issue #3: Do boards support the proposed concept for the 55th and Arapahoe Station Area?
• A. Weinheimer said a motivator of decisions has been the preservation of mountain views and
providing access to open space. An underutilized option that the city does not do enough of is
providing public access to roof tops. He said it would be good to integrate public space access
with great views and he suggested the best place to do that would be in the vicinity of the station
at 55th Street.
• J. Boone said that his comments to the first Key Issue were the same.
• T. Duhaime said that she did like it, in general. She approved of the permeability throughout the
site, the cross plazas, the places that pedestrians could access, the proposed walking paths. She
added that having the four different “flavors” of streets was too much categorization and not
necessary. She really approved of the activation street on Conestoga Court. She thought that the
proposed two-three blocks may be too little. She suggested making it more of a district and
having more than one activation street. She appreciated the integration of multi-use paths across
the site in the community. She appreciated that the plan has created a grid, but in spots
intersections have been offset. That would help create a sense of space for the road users and
would assist with them driving slower. She also liked the planning and routing for heavy vehicles
and keeping them on the perimeter. She approved of the pedestrian/bike emergency access street
and would like to see more of that.
• D. Ensign agreed with T. Duhaime. He approved of the concept of the plazas. He acknowledged
that a challenge may be the existing restaurants and shops along Arapahoe and any change may
make the public nervous about losing those businesses. A plan to support impacts to the
businesses to assure a smooth evolution would be useful. He would like to see if it would be
possible to make the north and south side of Arapahoe feel compatible since there is some
asymmetry (lower heights on the South side). He acknowledged concerns expressed by other
board members with the described mix of housing types and hoped they would be ironed out
with appropriate zoning.
• J. Gerstle generally agreed with the previous comments. He approved of the physical layout in
terms of streets and buildings. He was concerned with the classification of mixed use, the use
allowed in the buildings, and to continue service industrial found and permitted in this area.
• R. Hutchinson said encouraging redevelopment in the core may exclude some key uses
(services) and it would be good not to enable that. He said that when an area may become a multi
modal destination in particular, people will hang around in that area and as long as there is some
flexibility of spaces to be allowed to spring up, the transportation stuff will drive the organic
stuff. He hoped the 55th Street area would become the core to develop the patterns of the
pedestrians and bicyclists.
• M. McIntyre said the idea of smaller, more frequent transit mobility hubs would work better for
people. He emphasized that at 55th and Arapahoe, the key station/mobility hubs need to be
fleshed out with curbside management for shared vehicle or Uber/Lyft. He said he was excited
by the whole concept.
• L. Montoya said that she would like to have the plan keep in mind how do we serve our families
in more deliberate and explicit ways. In addition, she would like the plan to address what could
be done to serve our sizable and highly esteemed nonprofit and artistic sector in this community.
• S. Silver said this area would be the perfect place for public, private and an arts and culture
center as a way to address some of the Community Benefits Phase 2 conversation which the
Planning Board has discussed. This could become a destination point. She said she would like to
see more trees within the plan. She would like to see the opportunity for green roofs. The
proposed place types all looked like various iterations of the same idea. She urged the staff to be
clearer about the differences and what is unique about each one. She mentioned Form Based
Code, which she said would be a part of this area. She said that Form Based Code has nothing to
do with affordability and affordability would be the problem, not design. She said that on-site
affordability in this area would need to be encouraged and suggested that a higher level than
twenty-five percent of permanently affordability in this area be considered. She recommended
lowering the height near the residential.
Staff Presentation regarding the Fall Engagement Window:
J. Gatza and K. King presented the item to the board.
Board Questions:
J. Gatza and K. King answered questions from the board.
Key Issue #4: Are there other elements of the plan or planning process that boards believe to be
essential in order to confidently support recommendations included in the East Boulder
Subcommunity Plan?
• R. Hutchinson said he thought Boulder did a good job of community outreach and did not have
any particular insights into mechanisms. He was pleased to see materials appearing in other
languages.
• M. McIntyre said he missed many of the in-person meetings but was surprised by the
accessibility of virtual meetings. He felt it broadened the participation. He would advocate for
the city to move to a hybrid model. He suggested adding “How does every action help us reach
our climate goals” on the slide entitled “Specifics” that the public could comment on.
• L. Montoya mentioned in the past as the pandemic started, there had been outreach events for
communities at local churches, but they had stopped. She suggested not only getting information
out to communities but also receiving information from them. Previous initiatives with the
Latino community, in terms of providing information, a text messaging program was started. It
did not go very far, however they discovered that Facebook worked fairly well.
• S. Silver said that a definition of the place types that are very distinct would be needed as well as
the granularity in zoning given the risks to the industrial zones. She said that clarity on the
missing middle housing forms and on additional areas where missing middle housing would be
an option are be needed. New creative home ownership opportunities as well as creative thinking
about where the city can utilize existing home ownership opportunities are needed. She would
like to see clarity regarding separation of housing, residential and industrial. She would like to
see an engagement opportunity with artists and/or cultural organizations and open a discussion of
an arts and culture space at the STAMP location. Outreach to the neighborhood to the sough of
the proposed transit hub should be done. She recommended Next Door as a tool for ongoing
input specifically on elements of this project.
• A. Weinheimer said he has been impressed by the city’s outreach so far, especially with the
working group. He suggested that the area be showcased and highlighted in the study sessions to
the community as a potential destination, more than it is now. He added that he would more
confidently support the transportation elements if they were all summarized on a single map.
• J. Boone said he supported S. Silver’s comments regarding being as granular as possible. In-
person meetings are critical to the success of a community understanding and buying into
something, where online surveys do not do that. He said that people need to understand that the
term “light industrial” may include “office”. He would like to see outreach around the jobs
housing imbalance for people to understand that the project as proposed takes the city
backwards.
• T. Duhaime questioned how realist are some of the assumptions about what people want and
what the demand is for the kinds of spaces. It is too early to say what the world will look like in
twenty years and we will get it wrong. She questioned how successful the city has been at
reaching the in-commuters for their feedback. She would feel better supporting this plan
knowing that these changes and proposals were actually meeting an unmet need and want in
twenty years. She has complete support for the STAMP area.
• D. Ensign mentioned that the working group is how subcommunity planning is done and that is
public outreach. He applauded the idea of using 3D visuals. Regarding the jobs housing
imbalance mentioned by J. Boone, he did not agree that external messaging should indicate that
this subcommunity plan would exacerbate the jobs/housing imbalance. He said that if the city
were to build out the max development potential for site that is currently zoned, the city would
horribly upset the jobs housing imbalance, which is a scenario with the current zoning. He did
not know if there had been an actual acknowledgement by staff or the presenters that this would
exacerbate the jobs housing imbalance. It would depend on a lot of things that still have yet to be
set such as zoning and the stop gaps which might prevent various outcomes. He said that he did
not believe that anyone admitted that this land use by and in of itself would lead the city in that
direction.
• J. Gerstle said he agreed with J. Boone and S. Silver’s comments. He said that it would be
important to discuss the ultimate consequences of what a community plan could lead to.
• D. Ensign added that he was not discouraging board members from talking about what could
happen. He was discouraging the board from saying that something will happen that the board
may or may not know.
• J. Boone said that he heard, from staff, that the plan would provide up to 3500 units and that it
would not be a one-to-one ratio, but that it would be potentially double what is currently there.
That’s a potential result of redevelopment and this plan will exacerbate the jobs housing
imbalance as presented.
• D. Ensign said he wanted to find out from staff if the plan was discussing about conjecture of
what could happen to max build out or if it was based on actual models that would predict an
outcome. In today’s world, if it were built out to the maximum development potential for all of
the zones, it would seriously increase the jobs housing imbalance. Therefore, he wanted to know
if this self-contained area plan would make the situation better or worse. He added that certainly
economic conditions could push us to the jobs housing imbalance, however we cannot draw
some sort of hard conclusion that the subcommunity plan has done that yet without some
additional data.
• J. Boone said he believes that this kind of planning would push the direction to develop in this
area. He did not believe it was conjecture and that the build out would accelerate. He said this
plan will likely result in the increasing of the jobs housing imbalance because it will accelerate
the development of the additional industrial and office space. This has an extreme potential to
increase the job housing imbalance versus what is currently there because it would be putting in
place a plan that would incentivize development.
• J. Gerstle said that developers should be given entitlements in order to be enticed to do
something different. He mentioned the three in-person public sessions proposed by staff may be
inappropriate because the landowners, office owners and developers would be those who have
been already the most involved in the working group and they are very aware of what has been
going on. In fact, they have had a tremendous influence in the planning so far. He recommended
focusing the meetings for the city at large because that is the group that has been least active so
far in the public efforts.
4. DEBRIEF MEETING/CALENDAR CHECK
5.ADJOURNMENT
The Planning Board and Transportation Advisory Board adjourned the meeting at 10:17 p.m.
APPROVED BY
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Planning Board Chair
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APPROVED BY
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Transportation Advisory Board Chair
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Tila Duhaime per attached email
09/26/2021
From:Tila Duhaime
To:Schleske, Meredith
Subject:Re: For your approval: 07.15.2021_PB & TAB Minutes - signed with TAB edits
Date:Sunday, September 26, 2021 3:20:07 PM
External Sender
Thanks very much, Meredith. The minutes are approved as amended.
Tila Duhaime
On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 3:23 PM Schleske, Meredith <SchleskeM@bouldercolorado.gov>
wrote:
HI Tila,
The 07.15.2021_PB & TAB Minutes - signed with TAB edits per 9/13/2021 TAB meeting
are attached. Edits:
B.07.15.2021 Planning Board & TAB Minutes
Motion: Approval of 07.15.2021 Planning Board & TAB Minutes as amended to correct
spelling of “transportation” (title), correct spelling of “Duhaime”; replace “backup curve”
with “back of curb” (page 4), and “flushing” with “fleshing” (page 5.)
Motion: Hutchinson Second: Duhaime
4:0 Motion Passes. Schuchard abstain, not in attendance.
Please reply with your corrections or approval.
Thank you!
Meredith
Meredith Schleske
Administrative Specialist
O: 303.441.3204
schleskem@bouldercolorado.gov
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Business Services Division
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