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Approved Minutes - 11/24/2003City of Boulder Parks and Recreation Advisory Bqard Minutes November 24, 2003 City Council Chambers 1777 Broadway 6 p.m. The followang are the manute.r of the November 24, 2003 City of Boulder Parks and Recreat~on Advasory Board meetang (PRAB). A permanent set of these manutes and a tape recording (maantairted for a peraod of 6 years) are retaaned an Central Records (telephone. 303-441-3043). Board Present; Charles Manlove, Chair, Susan Osborne, Vice Chair, Ed von Bleichert, Pam Hoge, Suzanne O'Neill, Tom Sanford and Stu Stuller Staff Present: Jan Geden, Sarah DeSouza, Doug Hawthorne, Jeff Lakey, Mike Gurrola, Jamie Sabbach, Georgia Jackson, Julya Bridgewater, Lisa Green, Colleen Fitzgerald, Alice Guthne and Bev Johnson I. APPR~VAL OF AGENDA The agenda was approved as submitted II. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION Pubhc Participation was opened Tom Satter, 3800 Armer Avenue, Bouldei 80305, spoke in support of sledding and disk golf at Tantra Park and said the course at Harlow Platts Park was bormg and not very challengmg Jeff Wagner, 5280 Holmes Place, Boulder 80303, spoke in suppoil of disk golf at Tantra Park and asked the PRAB to allow additional disk golf courses m other paiks. Alexander Holcomb, ll55 7ay Street, Bouldei 80302, spoke m support of frisbee golf and suggested Valmont East Park would be the best location for frisbee golf Mike Codrey, PO Box 4761, Boulder 80306, professional disk golfer, said he has to traveI to Longmont or Arvada to find a legitimate 9- 18 hole disk golf course. Codrey spoke of the need for such a course in Boulder Damel Laman, 745 Arapahoe #201, Boulder 80302, spoke m support of d~sk golf and spoke about the need for a 9- 18 hole disk golf course m Boulder Jim Haswell, 2748 Northbrook Place, Boulder 80304, spoke in support of bannmg disk golf at Tantra Park and suggested placmg a disk golf course at the CU South Campus. 7ohn Chmnery, 2341 Waneka Lake Trail, Lafayette 80026, said that closing the d~sk golf course at Tanta Paik would be difficulY unless an alternative course was provided Ron Donahue, 1303 Northridge, Boulder 80304, said he was dehghted that $25K was approved to improve the crty's flower program and said he will be watchmg to ensure that funds are used for that purpose. He spoke about the poor condrtions of parks and asked the PRAB to take a more active role m parks maintenance. Peter Richards, 470 University, Boulder 80302, complained about the condiCion of Eben G. Fme Park and said the park maintenance should be proport~onal to the amount of use Richards sa~d he would like to see one mamtenance person assigned to the park. He talked about the land east of Eben G. Fme Park that was recently purchased by the crty and said he would like to see a plan that incorporates tbaC land mto the park Rick Woodsome, 4647 Huey Circle, Boulder 80305, spoke about problems with disk golf and sledding at Tantia Park. Woodsome said he would like to fmd another locahon for a d~sk golf course John B~rd, 1301 Lefthand Drive, Longmont 80501, spoke about Che populanty of disk golf and the difficulty enforcing the closmg of an unofficial course He asked the PRAB to provide a d~sk golf course at Valmont Crty Park or the CU South Campus. Kathy Fricke, 4651 Huey C~rcle, Boulder 80305, said Tantra Park is not a suitable place for frisbee golf and asked the PRAB to piovide another location. She also spoke of problems with sleddmg and sliding at Tantra Park Pubhc Paiticipation was closed Board comments and questions: • Suggest~on made for Board members Co visrt the Longmont and Westmmsler disk golf courses to see what makes them exemplary before makmg a decision on what would be a good location for a disk golf course m Bouldei. • Disk golf courses m Montrose, Colorado and Hot Sulphur Sprmgs, Colorado are both s~tuated on property similar to thaC of the CU South Campus properCy. • There was discussion about the management plans for parks and that Eben G Fme would be the template or model to develop strateg~es for the future • Theie was discuss~on about staff assigned to perform mamtenance at Sben G Fme Park Hawthorne anformed the PRAB that standard employees are assegned to larger parks and that a seasonal employee has always been asscgned to Eben G Fane Park dureng the busy season • There was discussion about the permanent iestrooms facility at Eben G Fme Park Lakey infor~med the PRAB that the restrooms wall be addressed in the management plan to integrate at w~th strategies for the whole park ove~~ the long term PRAII Mechng Mmutel 1 V2A/2004 - P1ge 2 What would be the cost to brmg Che restrooms up to where they were before they closed ~ Hawthorne replaed that at would cost over $100K, wh~ch as a capital need The park also has other capatal needs such as the playground, shelzer and the whole park turf area that all need to be renovated. • There was a suggestion to lease space to a concessionaue m the park for such thmgs as a coffee shop ar bicycle rentals III. CONSENT AGENDA The mmutes of Septembet 8, 2003, October 6, 2003 and September 22, 2003 were approved as submitted IV. MATTERS FROM THE DEPARTMENT A Tantra Park sleddmg and Harlow Platts disk golf updates Board comments and questions • Do most of the problems suiroundmg disk golf mvolve propeity owners moie than park users~ Lakey replaed that there have been many assues fr•~m neighbors as well us assues wcCh on-sate conflicts The most recent ancadent anvolved a dick narrowly missing a bahy's face whale the irefant was radang an a stroller • If disk golf is prohibrted m Tantra Park, how will thaC be enforced? I,akey sai~l staff has been d~scussang the matter wtth the pohce department as to how to accomplish some level of enforcement. • Is it clear where pnvate property and park properry boundaries he~ Lakey replced that signs are beang made that state that dask golf as prohtbtted an Yhe pcirk Most homeowners already have fencing but a fence was recently enstalled at the park pr•operty boundary where one homeowrcer dad not have thear property fenced That should prevent sledders from go~ng on pravate property • What is Yhe problem wrth sleddmg at TanCra Park~ Lakey saad it as not suatable ~or sleddang given the steep short hall weth trees, fences and saclewalk at the bottom. • What is the cost to create a disk golf course~ Lakey replaed thut the cost as modest compared to the amount of land needed whech as I S- 20 acres for18 holes. • When will improvements to lhe Harlow Platts disk golf course be completed~ Lakey saad they are expected to be completed by .rj~ring Sagn.c at Tantra Park wall ~nform the publ~c that Harlow Platts Park has the ciry's only sanctioned d~sk golf course • Suggestion was made to use VioleC Park as an mtertm srte for a disk golf cow se • Need to have another place for disk golfers by spnng • How could the hill at Tantra Park bc officially closed to sledding~ Geden said a recommendatton would rtot be made unttl afzer the commurttty meet~ng She spoke of the need to balance the concerres of ne~ghbors wath the needs of the corr~nzunaty • Date and location for the commuruty meetmg~ 4.30 - 6 30 on Wednesday, Decevnber 3 at Summat Maddle School Staff wall have the opportunity to meet weth the neighbors and users and afterward make a recommenttataon B Upcoming schedule for Tiansrt V~11age1ValmonC City Park option discussion PRAB Meehng Mmutes I U24/2003 -Page 3 Board members were given a handout with dates of upcommg meetmgs related to the w~ldhfe ordmance and the Transrt Village/Valmont City Patk Board members asked foi summary minutes of the November 17 PRAB wo~ k session on the Transil Village/Valmont City Park (VCP) V. MATTERS FROM BOARD MEMBERS • Heard there is fundmg to build the Tenrus Ccnter at Valmont C~ty Park but that soinething ~a holding up the development. Lakey satd both Boulder Ice and the Tennas Center have garnered anterest an funding Staff ~s workang on writ~ng an `7ntent to Lease" letter after which both parties can began to secure fundang The letter should be ready in the next two weeks. • Could lhe Transrt V~llage/Pollard MoCors relocation have an efPect on the Tennis Center or Boulder Ice7 Lakey saad the possible relocation of P~llard Motors to VCP would not impact either the Tennes Center or Boulder Ice. • Isn't pubhe sectoi money needed for infrastructure before the Tenms Center and Boulder Ice can go forward~ Lakey saad he belaeves that was already budgeted for but wall verafy that and get back to the Board • One Board member recalled that one of the reasons for the land lease model was that it rrught affoid an opporlumty to shift the responsibiliCy for some of the mfrasYructure and improvements to the developer of the property. In this case iC would be the Tenms Center and Boulder Ice VL ITEMS FOR ACTION A. Public hearing and recommendation to City Council on an ordinance amending Chapter 6-1, B.R.C. 1981, pertaining to the protection of wildlife Presenters: Bev Johnson, Environmental Planner, Planning Department Alice Guthrie, City IPM Coordinator, Office of Environmental Affairs Johnson gave a brief overview and background of the wildlife piotection ordmances The Pubhc Hearing was opened. No one spoke The Pubhc Hearmg was closed. Board members discussed the issue Thcu overall posilion follows Overall PRAB~osition on wildlife~rotection• All members supported ecosystem protection as a primary goal, with some reservations and qualifications. All wanted to pievcnt mhumane treatment and to prevent kffhng to the extent possible Some members did not wanl to see any animals killed. They all recognized Che PRAB Meehng Mmutes 1 I/2a/2003 - Page 4 difficulties of dealmg wiLh prair~e dogs in the urban setCmg They urged staff to take a broader look at ]and use regardmg pra~rie dogs m the uiban areas and to look at urban/non-urban management plans for prairie dogs Individual members suggested• • Using d~smcentives (such as high cost for peritut) to discourage killmg • Looking for crearive ways to prevent dastruction of the pta~rie dog and its ecosystem in plannmg issues m general • Not havmg an ordmance, but negotiaCing a plan with each private pioperty owner • Developmg spec~fic strategies far the parks and pubhc works properties with prairie dogs may be more effective One member stated that they did not support removal of all pia~rie dogs from the urban setting and that there seemed to be a need for clarificacion on the quesCion of specific ~solated srtuaYions versus ciCy policy. The overall PRAB posit~on on wildhfe protection wi11 be submrtted to Crty Counml along wrth those from other advisory boards VII. ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION/INFORMATION Osborne suggested the Board take an mformal tour of disk golf courses von Bleichert asked if thal could be accomplished by providing Board members with directions to d~sk go1P courses that aie working around the country in terms of how linear they are, how much bufPer space they have between the course and other uses or neighbors Sanford suggested Board members travel to Hot Supfur Spnngs to check out the course there Geden said staff would geY back to Board members on the matter and possibly schedule a road trip in waimer weather. VIII. FUTURE BOARD ITEMS AND TOURS January 7, 2004 - 6 p.m Transrt Village open house, Municipal Bu~lding lobby - Postpoued 7anuary 26, 2004 - 6 p.m Regular PRAB meetmg in Council Chambers January 27, 2004 - 6 p m Council meetmg/Transit Village IX. NEXT BOARD MEETING: Monday, January 12, 2004, 6 p m m the Flagstaff Room at the East Boulder Commumty Center located at 5660 Sioux Drrve X. ADJOURN The meetmg adjourned at 8 37 p.m PRAB Meetmg Mmutes 11 /24/2003 - Page 5 APPROVED BY PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD: ~~i ~~~f/y' Charles Manlove Board Chair Attest. 1~0 ~, Georgia ckson Recordmg Secretary PRAB Meetmg Mmutes l1 /2A/2003 - Page 6