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Parks and Recreation Advisory Boa~
Corrected Minutes
September 30, 2002
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The following are the minutes of the September 30, 2002 City of Boulder Par7ss and Recreation
Advisory Board meeting (PRfIB). A permanent set of these minutes and a tape recording
(maintained for a period of 6 years) are retained in Centrad 12ecords (telephone:
303-441-3043).
Board Present: Ed von Bleichert; Chair; Susan Osborne, Vice Chair; Pam Hoge, Charles
Manlove, Suzanne O'Neill, Dave Winin~ arrived at 7:43 p.m.
Board Absent: Thomas Sanford
Staff Present: Jan Geden, Doug Hawthorne, Sarah DeSouza, Georgia Jackson,
Cate Bradley, KaYe Bernhardt, Jeanne Scholl, Teri Olander, Lisa Bondi,
Julya Bridgewater, Chase Weir
Jim Reeder, Opcn Space and Mountain Parks
Alice Guthrie, Environmental Speeialist
Teresa Grills, Manager of Vahnont City Park Managament and Planning
Assistance Team (MPAT)
Christine Andersen, Acting City Manager
Joe de Raism ~s, City Attorney
Charlie Deans, Planners Tnk
I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
The agenda was approved as submitted.
II. CTTIZEN PARTICIPATION
Citizen Participation was opened.
Terry Danko, 1602 Grove, Boulder 80302, spoke about three small neighborhood parks
located at 18~~', 19th and 20~h Streets at Grove Street, that belong to the Transportation
Depaitment. Danko said Yl~e parks were not Ueing maintained properTy and asked the
Board to consider having the Parks and Recreation Department take over maintenance of
the parks.
Eric Hannan, 4302 Peach Way, Boulder 80301, spoke on behalfofDiunond Baseball
and Youth Baseball of Boulder (YBOB), and said he was pleased with the Recreation
Facilities Needs Assessment process. He spoke of the need far additional ball fields and
said bis organization(s) would measure and phoYograph the 22 identified baseball fields
in Boulder to develop an inventory of field condition and ability to play on the fields.
Annmarie Jensen, 540 Catalpa, Louisville 80027, spoke on behalf of the Boulder
Baseball Community. She said that while the baseball community affirms the work that
has been done on the Needs Assessment they balieve the scope of the project is missing
some pieces in order for the Board to make a good decision. She stated that current field
conditions and lighting of ball tields (for extended play) were not considered in the
scope of the Needs Assessment process. Jensen added that she hoped to see ball fields
at Valmont City Park.
Citizen Participation was closed.
III. CONSENT AGENDA
Minutes of June 15, 2002
Minutes of June 24, 2002
Minutes of July 22, 2002
Minutes of August 26, 2002
All minutes were approved as submitted.
IV. MATTERS FROM THE DEPARTMENT
A. Joe de Raismes update on BVSD discussions
Andersen said it was almost a year since the Board had received an update on the
discussions with the Boulder Valley School District (BVSD). Discussions were
based on a task force designation that the Council created to address a number of
issues between the city and B VSD. She added that a key element of the
discussions was the allocation of the Education Excise Tax, currently about $3
million. Andersen said thaY de Raismes has baen directly involved in those
discussions and would provide Board members with a recap.
de Raismes said that most of the discussions occurred between Ron Secrist,
former City Manager, and the school district. de Raismes added that Geden has
been continuing the discussions with the school district since SecrisY's departure.
de Raismes stated that an agreement signed last year by the city and school
district provides that the city would get advance notification should the school
district decide to reorganize. If Yhe school district decides to sell a school the
agreement would allow the city to lease that school for up to two years to allow
time to decide whether the city would purchase the school. Only at the end of
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the second year could the school district sell Yhe school to a party other Yhan the
city, allowing preservation of the schools as community centers. This would also
be an opportunity to preserve playgrounds and other essential parts of the schools
that are used as recre,ation and parks, but technically do not belong to the city.
de Raismes said the city has a Master Agreement with the school district that
provides for the use of school grounds as parks but that agreement does not
create permanent rights. Therefore the school district has Yhe ability to wiYhdraw
properties from it or sell properties under that agreement. Under this agreernent
the sale option would be limited by the Yerms of the Memorandum of
UndersYanding (MOU). de Raismes added that an agreement with BVSD has
been reached whereby any schools historically designated would have to be
preserved.
de Raismes also spoke about diseussions with BVSD over the city's concern that
CU might purchase schoot sites such as Boulder High, University Hill or
Baseline Middle School, as additions to the university campus.
de Raismes informed PRAB inembers that several months ago BVSD
approached the city to discuss the Education Excise tax. The school distriet
would likc to use approximately $18K for a study to look aY district-wide
recreafional needs of the district, but the focus would be on the Boulder valley.
The school district would use tha same consultants used by the city to create a
document similar to tihat of the Parks and Recreation Facilities Needs
Assessmenf.
de Raismes also spoke about discussions with the school district about possible
use of Educational Excise Tas funds to resurface fields at Fairview and Boulder
High with artificial turf.
de Raismes talked about Valmont City Park (VCP) and the possibility of the
school district having a facility located in the park. He assured the Board that if
BVSD were to place a facility at VCP the city would grant a 20-year lease with
the condition that the lease would disappear if the schoo] district moved ouY of
Boulder High, de Raismes added that direction from Council was pretty clear
that anything with BVSD at VCP would have to be tied in with Boulder High.
de Raismes stated that the school district did not like that idea, adding that it
could bring those discussions to an end.
de Raismes said negotiations would probably not progress very far until a new
city manager is in place. He asked Board members for their insight into how
discussions ought to be pursued.
Osborne stated that a lot of money has baen invested in school playgrounds and
parks with some of that inoney coming from block grants and other funds
coming directly from Parks and Recreation. She asked if that funding was
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provided without strings attached. c~e Raismes responded in Che affirmative,
especially with investments like the one az Baseline [Middle SchoolJ. He added
that the city has noC done a very good job in assuring that the improvements are
available for public use for their useful lives, de Raismes said the city did not
obtain a recreation easement at Baseline. I-Ie stated that over the long term,
before putting money into playgrounds, the city should get guarantees that those
schools are not going to end up being developed as something else.
Hoge asked about improving existing fields that the school distriet owns and
whether that could be accomplished with these funds. de Raismes responded
that if the PRAB had ~a priority for a particular field, it should work with Geden
so that it could be included on the list,for potential uses of the excise tax.
Hoge asked about the role of environmental policies that the City has been in the
procass of enacting and whether they play a role in discussions with the school
district in terms of facilities management. de Radsmes responcled Zhat it was a
very good point, which had not been addressed Co date. Hoge added that she was
thinking in terms of a reduction in pesticide use, reduction in water use and
prairie dog management. de Raismes said Hoge's comments were very helpful
and should be considered in any,f'uture discussions with the school district.
von Bleichert reiterated Hoge's sentiment that it was important to look at
improving the condition of existing BVSD fields before engaging in building
new ones. He said he would like to see that included in the school districYs
stud}~. Geden added Chat the school district is backing awavfrom that as a
priority but that she was pushing the matter as a condition.
B. Valmont, City Park update discussions
Grills spoke about tY~e Timberiand day of volunteer service on October 12 at
Valmoni: City Park Geden encouraged Board members Co show support with
their parlicipaCion.
Grills said Manlove and Sanford had volunteered to be Valmont City Park PRAB
Liaisons and that they would meet with her on Tuesday following the monthly
PRAB meeting. Grills also spoke about the purpose of the meetings and roles
for the I,iaisons. She encouraged PRAB members to individually contact her or
the I,iaisons to discuss any suggestions or concerns related to VCP.
Grills spoke about the upcoming PRAB Study Session/Workshop on
"Developing the Valmont CiYy Park Mission StaYemenY' scheduled for
Wednesday, October 30, 2002 from 6 to S p.m. at the Meadows Branch Library.
She asked Board members to review the handout information, complete the
worksheef and refurn iY to the MPAT by Tuesday, Ocfober 15.
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von Bleichert said it would be helpful for PRAB members to have the minutes of
the August 26 Study Session when preparing for the October 30 Study Session.
Geden and Grills said staff could send that information electronically to PRAB
members. [PRAB members ware informed later in the meeting that they had a
copy of the August 26 minutes in their current packet.]
C. Tom Watson playground update
Osborne asked whether the issue of mosquitoes [West Nile Virus] was under
consideiation for this project. Berrzhardt ~espor~ded irc the negative saying the
issue of mosquitoes was part of a larger environmental issue for the city - for low
places that might collect rovaten She added that it could be a larger deparCmental
issue to determine whether there are areas on parkland where mosguitoes could
breed. Hoge stated that she had spoken about this issue with Guthrie who said it
would be ineluded as part of the IPM [IntegraYed Pest Management Policy].
Von Bleichert asked when the Tom Watson playground renovation would be
brought back to the Board. Bernhardt responded thaf playground renovations do
noC generally come back to the Board. Geden added that community meetings
would be the appropriczte time for Board members to have input into desdgn of
the playground.
V. MATTERS FROM BOARD MEMBERS
Von Bleichert inquired about the status of the two vacant positions in Yhe department.
Geden replied that staff had just finished the,flrst round of screening for both the
Recreation Superintendent and Parks Planning and Development Superintendent
positions. She added that the goal was to hrzve interviews with the fdnal candidates for
both positions no later than the first two weehs in November.
At this time there was a brief video presentation on a new prairie dog interpretive trail at
Coot Lake. Geden informed tha Board that an interpretive trail around the wetlands at
Coot Lake would be completed by spring of 2003.
VI. ITEMS FOR ACTION
A. Public hearing and consideration of a motion to adopt a Transgenic Crop
(Genetically Modified Organisms) Policy
Presenteis: Jan Geden, CPRP, Director of Parks and Recreation
Jeanne Scholl, Environmental Resources Coordinator
Jim Reeder, Open Space and Mountain Parks
Alice Guthrie, Environmental SpecialisY
Scholl gave a brief synopsis of the research for using transgenic crops as a tool
for restoration of native prairie ecosystems. She spoke briefly about other
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agencies around the country and their use of transgenic crops for restoration
purposes.
Scholl statecl that in :August of 2000, Opeu Space adopted a policy prohibiting
the use of transgenic crops on their land. This was to ensure that lessees did not
use transgenic crops in agricultural production on Open Space land. Scholl said
that recent discussions with Open Space and Mountain Parks (OSMP) personnel
have indicated an interest in researchin~ the use of transgenic crops far
restoration purposes only.
Osborne expressed concern that it seemed like there could be an exception to the
policy at any time. Osborne suggested a joint pilot with Open Space as they
have some of the same issues with noxious weeds on Open Space land. Scholl
responded that it was not staff's intent to have many exceprions to the policy.
5he added that a pilot project was not suggested because sCaff does not have
enough information on the process nor do they have a site where they believe
this methodology might be applicable.
Manlove spoke about the Community Gardens and suggested that leases include
the prohibition of transgenic crops.
von Bleichert asked Guthrie if there have been discussions regarding use of a
GMO in this manner and how that would be reviewed with regaed to the IPM
policy. Guthrie said it had not been discussed to date but added that it would
now be discussed. Gutlzrie said Cliey w'ould p'robably want to look at it on a case-
by-case basis because the goal is reduction in the use of herbicides - however it
does not preclude the use of herbicides in specific situations.
The Public Hearing was opened.
Bill Melvin, 864 Gold Run, Boulder 80302, said he hoped the Board would
reconsider the use of transgenic crops. He said Yhe technology has a lot of
uncertainties and no long-term proven benefits in the wild. He suggested other
ways of inanaging prairie lands by using cover and smother crops and multiple
tilling. He urged the Board to use caution, as genetically modified organisms
(GMO's) are unproven in the environment.
Eric Johnson, 1111 Maxwell, Boulder 80304, said he believes staff needs to do a
lot mare research before doing a pilot prnject [using transgenic erops]. He said
staff needs to investigate alternatives and find out how the public feels about this
issue. He said staff needed to hear from ecologists and people who work in the
area of organism and population biology. Johnson concluded by saying there
ought to be a conser~ative interim policy.
The Public Hearing was closed,
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Wining arrived at 7:43 p.m.
Hoga moved to adopt an interim policy prohibiting the production of transganic
crops on Parks and Recreation lands and adding that this is in line with Open
Space policy and City Council needs to consider this issue.
von Bleichert seconded the moYion
There was discussion about the Community Gardens and potential for lessees to
use transgenic crops [plants]. Hawthorne stated that everyone who leases a
garden plot signs an agreement, but that use of transgenic crops has not yet been
addressed.
There was discussion about enforcement and associated costs.
Hoge inquired whether Open Space and Mountain Parks (OSMP) police their
land leased f'ar row crops or whether they trust lessees to adhere to tha policy.
Reeder replied that every dessee has a conZracfi with a cdause prohibildng the use
of transgenic crops. As far as policing, they trust that lessees are in compliance,
but added that OSMP has only 300 acres of row crops.
There was discussion that this issue ought to be ciCywide and not just a
departmental policy. There was discussion whether the Parks and Recreation
Department had to have a transgenic crop policy before the PRAB could pass a
resolution requesting Council take up the issue.
Osborne said she could not support the motion as stated. She was not in support
of an absolute ban when there might be a future problem that could not be dealt
with in any other way.
O'Neill said she would feel comfortable with recommending and encouraging
research and staying abreast of new developments as they might impact
problems and opportunities.
Hoge asked O'Neill if she meant she would be comfortable with keeping the first
half of the recommendation as it was originally worded and then adding on about
continuing to research the method. Hoge then asked O'Neill to restate her
comments as a friendly amendment.
O'Neill offered a friendly amendment to the motion that staff should continue
sfaying abreasf of scientific research as it evolves in the event it helps suggest a
solution to a problem or opportunity.
Hoge accepted the friendly amendment.
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[The motion would begin as follows] The Parks and Recreation Advisory Board
accepts staffls recommendation to adopt an interim policy prohibiting the
production of transgenic crops on Parks and Recreation lands and....[the friendly
amendment begins here.]
Von Bleichert asked Creden to read the entire motion:
Geden read the following: The Parks and Recreation Advisory Board accepts
staffls recommendation to adopt an interim policy prohibiring the producYion of
transgenic crops on Parks and Recreation lands and continue staying abreast of
scientific research as it evolves in the event it helps suggest a solution to a
problem or opportunity.
There was discussion about whether the motion should include a
recommendation that City Council adopt a citywide policy. It was decided that
the recommendation to City Counci] be a separate motion and recommendation.
The Parks and Recreation Advisory Board voted [4 to 2 with Manlove opposed,
Wining abstaining and one member absent~ to accept staff's recommendation to
adopt an interim policy prohibiting the production of transgenic crops on Parks
and RecreaYion lands and conYinue staying abreast of scientific research as it
evolves in the event it helps suggest a solution to a problem or opportunity.
The Board took a short break.
After the break von Bleichert apologized that the Board adjourned for break
before making a recommendation to City Council.
On a motion by Wining, seconded by Osborne, the Parks and Recreation
Advisory Board voted (unanimously, 6- 0 with one member absent) to
recommend to City Council that thay adopC a citywide C3M0 policy.
VII. ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION/INFORMATION
A. Draft Recreation Facilities Needs Assessment Report
Presenters: Jan Geden, CPRP, Director of Parks and Recreation
Cate Br~dley, Parks and Recreation Planner
Charlie Deans, Planners Ink
Deans spoke about production difficulties with the Facilities Needs Assessment
resulting in two missing documents and pages numbered incorrectly. Deans
providad Board members with an update on the Facilities Needs Assessment
process.
Deans clarified the definition of multi-use fields in the Needs Assessment
documents. He stated that multi-use fields (far purposes o£the Needs
Assessment) are fields of a certain size that are programmed for practice and
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games for any of five sports: soccer, rugby, football, ]acrosse and ultimate
frisbee. He added that multi-use fields are used by sports with the highest
participation level.
There was discussion about confusion with tha teiYns multi-use fields, tnulri-
purpose fieids and multi-use turf area.
Wining asked what term would be applicable for North Boulder Park and the
lawn at Chautauqua. Geden responded that they would be considered multi-
purpose as they are not programmed, and while they are used for f'ootball, and
soccer, they are not scheduled. Geden and Deans reiterated that for purposes of
the inventory, such areas would be defined as multi purpose, non progNammed
turf and not defined as a soccerJield or f'ootball field.
Hoge asked what the soccer community wants when they ask for more fields.
Olander replied that they want to have a contract for a field knowing that at a
specific time they could go to that field and know that the space would be theirs
to use. That would be different than a multi-purpose park like North Boulder
Park. Osborne said that since there aren't a loY of multi-use fields, people are
using multi-purpose areas in neighborhood parks like North Boulder Park.
Deans said that more weight was put on facilities that had a high participation
rate with adults as w,e,ll as a high participation rate with children. If the survey
data indicatad not only are adults and children participating a loY in that activity
and they would like more of th~t kind of facility; that information represented a
strong need for that Yype of facility.
von Sleichert asked if the national standard wAS Yo put game and practice fields
together. Deans responded Chat it's not standard to have fields that are
restricted to game only (such as Pleasant View fields).
O'Neill spoke about discrepancies between materials received at the August 26
workshop when compared with information for this meetin~. Deans responded
that the August 26 information was specific to Valmont City Park.
Osborne asked if "additional proposed" means the facility is already in the
planning process. Deans responded in the affirmative. Osborne asked if the
proposed pool was at Valmont. Deans responded in the aff rmative and said it
was on the maps and in the table as well.
von Bleichert said it would be helpful if Deans would explain how weights were
put on the different data points.
Deans spoke about the weighting of pools and how swimming pools had a high
participation rate with adults and children. Because there was a high response on
the survey to the question asking if people would like to see more of those
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facilities in addition to the high participation rate, swimming pools were
weighted higher.
Deans said there was some weighfing put on the GIS service area analysis for
having some quantitative data and also on the resident survay for its statistical
reliability. Deans added that the community participation process was mare
qualitative and not statistically reliable, Yherefore there wasn't the confidence
level on that data as there was in the resident survey and tha GIS analysis.
Osborne said she absolutely agreed with that approach, as community
workshops were invi~ations for focus groups to come and mahe a pitch.for their
needs.
Manlove pointed out thaf there should be a dog park in Phase 2 of FoothilIs
Community Park, which was not shown on the map as a proposed dog park.
Deans spoke about the need for softball fields arising out of both participation
levels as well as Mapleton and Stazio having limited use (games only). Softball
came in higher on need than baseball because baseball doesn't have some of the
use restrictions on it. He added that there are more fields available for baseball
than are included in the model, such as the iris Fields (owned by the counYy). He
explained that it was because of the uncertainty of those fields, which the city
has no control over.
Osborne said she read recently about a decline in baseball nationally and asked
whether there has been a decline in baseball in Boulder. Deans said that seemed
to be the case in Boulder as the resident survey showed a decline in participation
rate over the past five years, Looking at the question about additional need and
additional facilities, baseball was quite low.
Deans said that sofYb'all has held its participation raYa over the past five years
adding that the popularity of girls' softball could be part of the reason.
Deans said baseball was looked at as a group, with Little League and Legion
combined because national standards look at it as a group. However,
recommendations for fields are broken out into Little League and Legion fields.
Osborne asked about multi-use fields at Valmont City Park and there was
discus:;ion about a multi-purpose area in Phasa One. Geden stated that there are
no mu(ti-use fields on the current approved site plan. von Bleichert said that
Chapte;r 6, Table 3 shows multi-use fields at Valmont as part of the approved site
plan. Deans suid he would have to clarify that in the document.
Osborne expressed concern that if so much land were devoted to stick sports
(baseball and softball) there might not be room for practice and playing fields for
soccer. Deans sard he needed take another look at zhe plans to mn7ce sure th~e
multi-use fields could be accommodated.
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Hoge asked whether BVSD facilities were taken into account for multi-use
facilities, including those that could be expanded. Deans responded in the
afftrmative and said staff'deals with I S of the 25 school sites listed in the Master
Agreement. The remaining sites are not used due to inadequate size for
programming and/or condition. Hoge inquired about making improvements to
existing school facilities so that they might be programmed for use. Deans
responded that an assessment and inventory of those faeilities arzd their
condition was not part of the Needs Assessment process. Staff provided
information on usable playing fields and those fields were included in the study.
Hoge said the appendix showed a much greater collection of fields and softball
areas that weren'Y listed in the Needs Assessment. Deans replied that many of
those.fields were not programmable. Hoge said it would be cheaper to upgrade
existing fields rather than build new ones, Olander informed the 13oard thaC the
school district's multi-use fzelds, that might be usable by the City, were already
being sch.eduled for use by the school district. She said sfiaff has not found any
fields that are not already being used.
Deans said he would take another look at several things: the dog park and ball
fields at Valmont. The nexY step will be to revise some of the information based
on feedback from the Board. There will be a community meeting to present
these recommendations and obtain feedback from the community; after which a
final report will ba prepared. Deans said he expected to return to the Board in
November.
Geden asked what information, if any, the Board needed in arder to feel
comfortable adopting the recominendations to use in tha Master Planning
process.
von Bleichert asked how Stazio and Pleasant View ought to be considered in the
data analysis, particularly with regard to rnulti-use fields. He expressed concern
for the potential impact it could ltave on the total number of fields recommended.
von Bleichert had questions about weighting and ranking. He said multi-use
fields are in the high priority group yet the recommendation is to build only 9 out
of 12. Baseball is in"the lower priority group and yet 6 out of 6 are
recommended. Geden asked why wouldn't the recommendation be to build 4
out of 6 baseball fields, adding some of that has been allocated to baseball
toward a higher priority usage, recognizing that there's srill a need for baseball.
Deans said he doesn't have a problem revising the recommendations and putting
more multi-use ftelds in a site than is now recommended. But the balance comes
with the geographic distrtbution when deterrriining recommendations. He added
that putting S or 6 fields on one site does not serve the community very well.
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von Bleichert asked if the geographic recommendation was tihe last data taken
into consideration. Deans replied that the GIS analysis was highly weighted and
given the same weight as the resider~t survey.
Geden then sYated thdY building 9 out of 12 multi-use fields would relatively give
a sarvice radius thaYs comparable to providing 6 out of 6 baseball fields.
O'Neill asked if the proposed multi-use fields could be taken out of [Priority
Group] A and put into [Priority Group] B or C or whether all of the proposed
multi-use fields have to be in [Prioritq Group~ A. Manlove said if. wns the
Board's job to talce the unmet need and prioritize the implemenCation program.
Deans added that a phasing plan [detennined by Board or staf'fJ would address
and develop a mix of ineeting the unmet needs.
von Bleichert said he would like input from other Board members with regard to
"tonrnament-only" facilities being included in the current total of multi-use
fields, because of the impact it has on the number of additional fields
recommended.
Manlove said including Stazio and Pleasant View fields does alter the need for
fields, but that it would be difficult to calculate by how much. He said the Board
needs a way to take that into consideration but he wasn't overly concerned about
it. Manlove said it was the Board's responsibility to take Deans'
recommendation and, create a Master Plan; changing the recommendarion as the
Board feels appropriate. He added tbat it is not the Board's job to tell Deans
what the recommendation should Ue.
Wining said needed facilities should be placed in neighborhoods, rather than
creating big complexes. Deans pointerl o~~~t~that 13~i~ning s statement was m m~tter
of policy, which is the Board's responsibility.
Geden asked if the Board felt there were data glitches, missing information or
data analysis, that would prevent the Board from adopting tha recommendations
as the department's needs. von Bleichert said it would be helpful to have as
much detail as possible included on the p~rocess, so that over tinze it would be
possible to look back at the daCa and understand it.
Hoge asked Deans to look into the tennis courts at the Millennium Hotel to
possibly find ways to fill the need for additional tournament courts. Deans said
private facilities are typically not taken into consideration but that he would look
into Che matter to see if it could impact the Necommendation.
Osborne said she felt very comfortable with the needs assessment document and
thaf it is excellent information for the Board. With regard to von Bleichert's
question of whether to inelude Stazio and Pleasant View fields, Osborne felt it
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was fine to ]eave Chem where they are. The Board would have Yo keep Yhat in
mind when making decisions about future facilities or programming.
Deans said the information could be split to show recommendations with
Pleasant View fields and also show recommendations with Pleasant View fields
removed from consideration.
B. Codified fee request for differential weekend/weekday greens fees at Flatirons
Golf Course for 2003
Presenters: Jan Geden, CPRP, Director of Parks and Recreation
Doug Hawthorne, Parks Suparintendent
Chase `l~eir, Golf Pro
Hawthorne said staff is proposing to enact a policy change as it relates to fees at
Flatirons golf course. The Budget office has requested that the PRAB consider
this item for recommendation to City Council as a part of the DepartmenYs 2003
budget submittal.
Hawthorne said staff is proposing a differential weekend/weekday greens fee for
Flatirons Golf Course beginning March 1, 2003 and continuing through
October 31.
Wining said the infonnation on Attachment B was misleading. He also said he
was bothered by the fact thaY the golf course fulfills their budget obligation to
pay $200K for iudirect costs and any leftover funds go into the expansion fund.
He feels it ought to be the other way around with funds going first into the
expansion fund and any remaining funds could go into the general fund to pay
indirect costs.
Bridgewater spoke about cost recovery as it relates to the golf course's direct and
indirect costs.
Wining expressed concern that maney won't be available when needed for
repairs or green replacement. Geden said a business analysis for the golf course
and a department-wide fee study would be done next year, Wining said he had
no interest in raising fees to pay indirect costs.
Osborne said that with the late hour she would like to look at the issue at hand
and thaY at some time the Board could look at the budget to see what the golf
course is being charged. Osborne said she is okay with recommending
differential fees to Council.
O'Neill asked whether player rounds proportionately held their ground, vis-a-vis
a lot of the competing courses and what is the level of player satisfaction7
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Weir said the question tonight is independent of Wining's concerns, which he
feels are very valid. Weir said that 50 to 62% of rounds come from non-
residents and that as high as 75% of total play comes from outside Boulder. The
other 25-30% of play is from rasident pass holders, seniors and juniors, while
only 12% of users are city residents. Weir concluded by saying that most of the
people usingthe course are non-residents.
Hawthorne responded to O'Nei1Ps question about how well Flatirons has held up
in the market. Hawthorne said the Flatirons and most of the municipal golf
market in the area have experianced decreased rounds and said Flatirons is down
about 10,000 rounds.
The Board expressed general support for recommendation to City Council.
VIII. FUTURE BOARD TTEMS AND TOURS
A. Dedication of Chautauqua Playhouse in meinory of Will Meyer - October 5, 2005
from 10 a.m. to 12 noon at the Chautauqua Playhouse
B. Timberland Day of Service at Valmont City Park - October 12, 2002
C. Valmont City Park wark session to develop a park mission statement - Wednesday,
October 30`h from 6 to 8 p.m. at Meadows Branch Library at 4800 Baseline
IX. NEXT BOARD MEETING:
Monday, October 28, 2002 - Hoge will Ue absent
X. ADJOURN
The meeting adjourned at 10:47 p.m.
APPROVED BY PARKS AND
RECREATION ADVISORY OARD:
Ed von Bleichert
Board Chair
Attest:
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Georgia Ja 1 son
Recording Secreta
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