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Approved Minutes - 3/18/2002City of Boulder • Parks and Recreation Advisory Board Minutes March 18, 2002 East Boulder Community Center 5660 Sioux Drive 6 p.m. The following are the manutes of March 18, 2002 Cary of Bnulder Parks and Recreat~on Advasory Board meetang (PRAB) A permanent set of these minutes und a tape recording (maantained for a permd of 6 years) are retaaned cn Central Records (telephone • 303-441-3043) Board Present: Gwen Dooley; Cha~r, Ed von Bleichert, Vice Chair, Dave Winmg, Charles Manlove, Susan Osborne, and Thomas Sanford Board Absent: Pam Hoge Staff Present: J1n Geden, S1rah DeSouza, Georgia Jackson, Maureen Spitzer, Jeanne Scholl, Joy Master, Julya Bridgewater, Lisa Bondi, Teri Olander, A1 Quiller, and Bob Peck • I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA The agenda was approved as submitted II. CITIZEN PARTICIPATION Citizen Panc~ipation was opened Chris Grealish, 330 31", Boulder 80305, staCed thaC the competitive cyclmg commumty was a user group with unmet needs He said it would be unnecessary to create a b~ke loop wiChm ValmonC City Pazk (VCP) if Che Stazio Loop could be co~sidered as a permanenC solut~on to the competitive cycling community in Boulder Grealish mvited Board members to attend the Colorado Cycling Feshval on April 7 at the Boulder Reservoir CiCizen Participation was closed. III. CONSENT AGENDA Mmutes of 7anuary 28, 2002 The mmutes were approved as submitted • • Mmutes of February 25, 2002 The mmutes were approved as submitted. IV. MATTERS FROM THE DEPARTMENT Geden mformed the Board as to why the results of the needs assessment survey were not on the agenda and said that survey results would be mcluded on the April meetmg agenda A North Boulder Recreahon Center pro~ect update Presenter. Jan Geden, CPRP, Director of Parks and Recreation Bill Boyes, Facilihes and Asse[ Manager, Public Works Department Boyes gave a brief update on the progress of the North Boulder Recreation Center (NBRC) renovation. He mformed the Board of a ten-week delay that developed as utilities were moved over and explamed how that would impact the scheduled reopemng of the recreation center The plan is for all of the NBRC to open on September 9, 2002 wrth the exception of the lap pooi Boyes also spoke about the two conUngency funds for the NBRC renovation He mformed the Board of the fund balances and explained how the funds have been used • Board Comments and Questions • Sanford comphmented Fac~lihes and Asset Management (FAM) employees for the way they conduct busmess. Sanford said that when a problem arises there is no efYort to hide thmgs, rather Chere is a posittve effort to resolve Che problem m favor of the City and the citize~s. He added that FAM employees are professional and do a greatjob . Wining inqu~red about the drainage problems encountered with relocaring the platform tenms courts on the NBRC site and whether the issue would come back before the Board Sanford responded that it would not come back to the Board and that the problems were resolved with sump pumps, reta~nang walls and other features, resulhng an additional costs • Boyes encouraged Board members to tour the site between 10 a.m and noon ou Wednesdays when staff is mspecting the site He added that his staff would also work to accommodate Board members' schedules. • Geden tnvited Board members to also stop by the Iris Center and observe the progress of the renovation cunently underway. She added that she was impressed with how little impact there was to staff or visitors during the renovation process and praised FAM for their great work and well-thought out process • PRAB Meenng 03/18/2002 - Page 2 B. Prairie Dog Update • Presenters. Jan~ce Geden, CPRP, Director of Parks and Recreation Jeanne Scholl, Environmental Resources Coordinator Joy Imlaster, Natural Resource Specialist Geden sa~d the mformation mcluded m the Board packet was provided to update the Board on prairie dog relocation pro~ects occurring on Parks and Recreahon properties. Environmental Resources staff would specifically address the issue of pra~rie dogs at VCP Scholl mformed the Board that Wild Places had relocated approximately 100 prairie dogs from VCP to the 51'~ Street receivmg site Visual observations showed a lot of activity tracks m the snow, trenches bemg used and occupied and approximately 15 to 20 new burrows. Scholl added that trappmg of prairie dogs ceased as of March 1, 2002 Scholl stated that staff w~ll do the annual pra~rie dog count on all Parks and Recreation parcels durmg the months of June, July and August Scholl mformed the Board that there had been a couple of breaks m the fence at VCP. The breaks have been repaired but there are now prairie dogs on the other side of the fence. Relocation of those prairie dogs won't begm unril June 1, 2002 . von Ble~chert asked what part of Phase I the prairie dogs have moved onto Scholl responded that at present pratirae dogs were only along the fence ar2d had not moved out onto the pro~eet area, Manlove asked whether the 30 praine dogs inhabitmg the northwest corner of the parcel, on the north side of VCP, were by the ~ail Scholl responded ~n the affirmatcve Manlove asked if staff planned to leave them there Schnll responded that for the tame betng, the prairie dogs were to remain there Both Manlove and von Bleichert said they thought [here ought to be a discussion about whether to leave the prairie dogs there for the long term or to take care of the matter before it becomes a bigger issue von Bleichert asked where on the north side staff may be placmg prairie dog bamer fencing Master responded that it had not yet been determaned, as staff needed to study pratrie dog movement an the area before plactng prairte dog barraers. . PRAB Meenng 03/18/2002 - Page 3 C 2001 DepaRment Work Plai~ update • Presenter. Sarah DeSouza, Assistant to the Director DeSouza explained that the wark plan included m the packet was the final update to the 2001 Department Work Plan. The memo mcluded analys~s of what was accomplished the previous year in light of staffing challenges DeSouza stated that staff would be coming back to the Board m May with a work plan for 2002 V. MATTERS FROM BOARD MEMBERS Dooley spoke about the last m~nute reprieve for the Fortune House and how it had been kept from the demolit~on crew This was done to allow Yor time to look at ut~lizmg part or all of the house (with modificaCions for safery) - poss~bly as a museum or to comphment the Boyd Smelter site when rt is developed • Sanford said he thought ~t was a good idea • Wmmg expressed disappomtment that a previous board had spent a lot ot time deciding that the house should be demolished and then the current Board pulled the item~ust hours before ~t was to be cons~dered by the Landmarks Boazd. He felt that the Landmarks Board should have been allowed to revtew the item and gone through the public process that had already been noticed • Manlove concurred with Wmmg and said that thts was the first that he had heard of a • decision to halt demolition of the ForCUne House. Manlove raised the question of whether commercial enterprises can use pubhc factlihes He has seen classes conducted m a city park and doggie day care center staff regularly bringmg dogs to park property. Manlove suggested staff check with the City Attorney's Office to find out about liability and the City's policies for these activities He added that Open Space and Mountam Parks requ~res all of its lessees to prov~de proof of liability msurance that mdemnifies the City from any liabil~ty arismg from their activities. Manlove thought that Parks and Recreat~on could require the same thmg of people conduchng classes. VI. ITEMS FOR ACTION A Public hearmg and consideration of a motton to recommend park options for the 47`h/Jay/Kalmia Planning Pro~ect Presenter Jan Geden, CPRP, Dtrector of Parks and Recreahon Susan Richstone, Semor Planner, Plamm~g and Development Services The public hearmg was opened Steve Stearns, 2996 Madera Ct , Boulder 80301, said he wants to see lots of parks for the proposed development but that he is opposed to havmg any of the • new park space used for adult pracuce teams. Stenrns also said that he had PRAB Meenng 09/18/2002 - Page 4 expenenced increasmg hostility by groundskeepers at Pleasant View fields and • thlt he had been verbally assaulted and talsely accused by staff m front of his kids. Michael Markel, 5723 Arapahoe Avenue, Boulder 80303, expressed appreciution to everyone for their pait m the process up to this pomt. Markel said he prefers Opuon B for the Kalmia property For the 47~h/Jay parcel, Mazkel supports takmg some of the green space along Jay road and putting ~t more mternal to the subdivision or ad~acent to the Fourmile Creek subd~vision. 7eff Eckert, 5353 Manhattan Circle #203, Boulder 80303, Coast to Coast Development and also a resident, said he owns the property directly to the west of Pleasant Vtew fields on Kalmia. Eckert said that the neighborhoods would hke to get as much neighborhood use 1s they can out of any plrk land that is dedicated. He said the ~dea of soccer practice fields only adds to the problems that already exisC with the operation of Pleasant View fields. Michael O'Keeffe, 4520 Nassau, Boulder 80301, representmg Fourmile Creek, expressed support for Options A or B on the 47`~' and Jay property. He said the neighborhood would like to see as much park space as possible withm the neighborhood rather than thm buffer strips on the outside of the development. They would also hke to see the park designed wtthout big open spaces that could attract soccer or rugby practice sessions • Roland Sharette, 2962 Kalmia Ct #2, Boulder 80301 said there were no beauhfully landscaped park areas m his neighborhood like the ones he sees while driving through other areas of Boulder Sharette said he and his neighbors are opposed to soccer practice areas in the neighborhood He said they favor Option A for the Kalmia property The public hearmg was closed. Geden said the purpose oF the discussion was to recommend park service del~very options. She spoke about what currently exists, the pazameters, opportumties and challenges associated with future changes. Richstone said whatever recommendation the PRAB makes would be taken to the Plannmg Board on Thursday night when the Planning Board will d~scuss the matter. The goal of the Planrung Board meetmg is to provide mput and direction so that the landowners can prepare a concept plan for subnuttal Board Comments and Questions • Osborne mquired about Open Space shown on the plans and Richstone replaed that the desagrcer used those terms to mean an open area, not Open Space properry owned hy the Open Space and Mountain Parks Department. • PRN3 Meenng 03/I S/2002 - Page 5 • Osborne asked about prrvate parks. Rachstone re,sponded that one of the • things that came out of necghborhood meettngs was a neaghborhood preference for severul smaller parks rather than addang to the exasting park while Parks and Recreataon staff zndtcated a preference for adding on to the existcng park The designer then came up weth several optLOns wath smaller park sites or wath one larger stte, but dad not zdentify the parks as either public or private • Osborne asked about the school district. Richstone responded that the school distract was no longer constdering an additconal school stte crt the area. Instead they may use the~r 3-acre parcel as a way to provade affordahle houscng for staff. • Wmmg asked why Elks Park, on the other side of Highway 36, was not considered m the service area. Rachstone responded that once an underpass and tra~l are completed, at was her unclerstandang that Elks Park would be counted ~n the serv~ce area • von Ble~cherC mquired about the total acreage oP the airport influence zone R~chstone responded that at was 7 ucres • Manlove made an observation about the plans As the number of housmg unrts went up the amount of parkland went down dramatically, which seemed to him to be countermtuttive and counter to what the Board should be attemptmg to achieve • Sanford made a suggestion to use the two south fields at Pleasant View fields for practtce Olander replied that lostng those two~elds for games would . mean that some games would have to be canceled • von Bleichert asked what land was available if the Boaid decided to purchase property Geden replaed that strzff would have to look at what is cacrrently ava~lable. Geden summarized the Board's comments • Five of six PRAB members present favored Option A for the Kalmia parcels and Option B for 47~~' and Ja~ Wming expressed support for Ophon B for Kalmia and Optton A for 47" and Jay. • Des~re of Board to have land dedicated versus acquirmg the land • Make a strong statement as it relates to PRAB's disagreement with the mcrease m density and correspondmg decrease m parkland as show~ on the concept plans If the density is to be increased PRAB felt that careful attention should be paid as to how to add those add~tional types of amemhes mto communrties • Manlove said it would be helpful to have a spreadsheet on anticipated park fees (development excise fees) Board answers to questions m the packet memo• 1 Are you interested in acquiring additional public parkland for neighborhood or pocket park use to serve the areas of new residential development on the 47"'/Jay parcel and/or the Kalmia parcels? This • PRAB Meenng 03/ l8/2002 - Page 6 additional parkland would also serve existing underserved areas of the • Fourmile Creek neighborhood. PRAB members expressed support for acquiring additional public parkland. 2 If so, would you be interested in acquiring land for this purpose via dedication or would you consider purchasing property in this area? PRAB members expressed support for acquirmg addihonal public parkland via dedication Staff and Board members want to make sure they understand the [development excise] fees m relation to parkland dedtcation. 3 If public parkland were to be acquired, would you prefer to acquire land located on the 47`h/Jay parcel or on the Kalmia parcels? PRAB members said they would prefer to acquire land located on the Kalmia parcels If public parkland were to be dedicated, which options/location(s) would you prefer on the 47"'/Jay and/or Kalmia parcels? The majonty of PRAB members favored Optton A for the Kalmia parcels. The majority of PRAB members favored Option B for the 47`h and !ay parcels, recogoizmg that it might be unreasonable to get ChaC land dedicated and the need to deteimine future options for acquisit~on 5. If private parkland were to be developed, which options would you recommend for private Homeowner Association parkland at 47~h/Jay? • On the Kalmia parcels'' If private parkland were to be developed, the Board recommended Option B at 47`h and Jay It was recommended that any private park srtes be developed according to Ctty standards. Are you interested in acquiring additional land to be developed for recreational uses, specifically a potential additional soccer practice ~eld and/or additional parking to serve Pleasant view Fields? If so, what location would you recommend? Would you be interested in acquiring land for this purpose only via dedication or would you consider purchasing property? PRAB members felt that additional soccer practice fields were not somethmg they would be able to negotiate, although they recogmzed that soccer fields and practice soccer fields are an issue system wide. Add~tional soccer fieids were lowest on the list of PRAB and staff pnorities. VII. ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION/INFORMATION VIII. FUTURE BOARD ITEMS AND TOURS April 2, 2002 - Joint meetmg of Boulder Arts Commission (BAC) a~d PRAB to view presentations of semi-finalists for NBRC artwork - Mam Library • 6-9p.m. PRAB Meetmg 03/18/2002 - Page 7 • Apnl 6, 2002 - Valmont Crty P~rk design charette meeting - George Reynolds Library, 915am -115p.m von Bleichert suggested that it would be helpful to have issues and questions that staff would hke the Board to consider mcluded m the packet (as was done for the 47`h/Jay/Kalmia Plamm~g Pro~ect) May 4, 2002 - Foothills Commumty Park community workshop for Phase II playground and plaza area - Foothtlls Commumty Park Mamtenance Buildmg located at 800 Cherry Avenue, 10 a.m to 12 noon. Manlove and Sanford sa~d they would not be an attendunce. May 2Q 2002 - May PRAB meeting - City Yards lunch room - 5050 Pearl Street - 6 p.m Manlove and Osborne saad thev would not he tn attertdance DeSouza stated that a tour of Sinton Park was bemg planned and asked Board members to let staff know of other parks they would like to tour Osborne suggested eombinmg Sinton Park with a walk-through of the NBRC • IX NEXT BOARD M~~TING: April 22, 2002, Council Chambers X. ADJOURN The meetmg ad~ourned at 8•40 p m APPROVED BY PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY B ARD. , ~ Edward von Bleiche Board Chair • Attest• '~ ~ Z Georgia Jac son Recording Secreta PRAB Meettng 03/18/2002 - Pagc 8