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City of Boulder
Parks and Recreation Advisory Board
I'^ Minutes
''°-' October 23, 2000
City Council Chambers
1777 Broadway
6:00 p.m.
The following are the minutes of the October 23, 2000 Ctty of Boulder Parks and Recreation
Advisory Board meeting. A permanent set of these minutes and a tape recordtng (maintained for
a period of 6 years) are retained in Central Recards (telephone • 441-3043).
Board Present: Gwen Dooley, Vice Chur; Charles Manlove, Pam Hoge and Will Meyer,
Chair, arnved at 722
Board Absent: Susan Osbome, Dave Wmmg, and Edward von Bleichert
Staff Present: Chns Dropmski, Doug Hawthome, Georgia Jackson, Sazah DeSouza,
Lmda Kotowski, Russ Dnskill, Tom Kramer, Ann Wichmann
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minutes of the meering]
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I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
The order of agenda was changed as there was not a quorum of boazd members present
II. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
September 25, 2000
The approval of nunutes was postponed until the November meehng.
III. CITIZEN PARTICIPATION
Citazen Participation was opened
Enc Simons, 730 Grape Avenue, Boulder 80304, President of the Boulder County Force
Soccer Club, addressed the need for addrtional soccer practrce fields and asked the Board
to consider convertmg some of the currently undeveloped park land witlun the city mto
general traimng fields
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John Baker, 2007 Chpper, Lafayette, CO 80026, soccer coach, asked the Boazd to
consider providmg additional soccer practice fields as park sites aze developed.
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`""' Merry Mungo, 767 Eldorado Dnve, Supenor 80027, soccer team manager, also addressed
the need for more soccer prachce fields.
Valene Wilhams, 890 Laurel Avenue, Boulder 80303, pazent of a Boulder soccer player,
concurred wrth Enc Simons' comments addressmg the shortage of soccer prachce fields.
Cheryl Appell, 864 Iris, Boulder 8030_, stated [hat the soccer conshtuency is lazge and
expandmg and is m competition for pracUCe fields wrth other fast growmg sports, such as
ultima[e frisbee and rugby. She asked the Boazd to be proactive and consider creatmg
more practice fields.
Joe Jumkas, 2975 Valmont Rd, #240, Boulder 80301, soccer coach, spoke m favor of
addrtional soccer pract~ce fields.
Amy Wyckoff Judson, 2455 Spotswood Place, Boulder 80303, Development Coordmator
for Boulder County Force Soccer, explazned the difficulty m findmg practice fields and
added that m the future some who wish to play soccer may be tumed away for lack of
fields.
Jeff Frant, 1240 Cedaz Avenue #31, Boulder 80304, spoke about the shortage of available
fields for soccer pracdce
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"" Bob Lapomte, 5668 Pioneer Rd, Boulder 80301, soccer coach and referee assignor, stated
that there aze not enough soccer fields and as a result some adult teams have been tumed
away He urged the Boazd to consider providmg addihonal fields for soccer.
Robert Lucas, 3950 Newport Lane, Boulder 8030_, spoke about the re-development
master plan for Angel Pmes and asked the Board to consider retunmg the banquet
facilrty.
Dan Bruckner, 3423 Madison X-132, Boulder CO 80303, spoke on behalf of the groups
that need meetrng space. He stated that the City of Boulder is sorely lacking in the type
of space that already exists at Flatirons and there is a genume need for more space to
accommodate all the groups that currently use the facihty.
Ciazen Pazvcipaaon was closed
IV. ITEMS FROM THE DIRECTOR
Dropmski mformed the Boazd that the anchor for Burke Pazk had amved and was being
stored at the egg fazm facihry at Valmont City Pazk unnl ready for mstallation. She added
that a dedicahon ceremony is tentahvely scheduled for Memorial Day weekend
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Dropmski stated that the skatepazk has been mvited to submit a full grant for a$3,000
grant from the Commumty FoundaUOn servmg Boulder County. NotificaUon for the
,/'~ grant will come someume m January. Hoge asked what total do[lar amount has been
~~ ratsed to date for the skatepark Diana Snvth, Crty Liazson, responded that $32Q000 has
been ra~sed so faz.
Dropinski handed the Boazd a letter and petiaon askmg the Board to reopen the issue of
relocaung the platform tennis at the North Boulder RecreaUOn Center
Dropmski mformed the Boazd that the City Council Study Session for envuonmental
sustamability, the IPM that was tentatively scheduled for December 12, has been
rescheduled for February 13. Staff would like to meet with Hoge and von Ble~chert,
hazsons for the environmental sustaznabilrty goal, to put together a framework for that
study session, prior to the November 27 PRAB meeung. Hoge, Manlove and Dooley sud
they aze available for a Boazd study session on either December 4 or 11.
Dropmslu gave the Boazd an overview of the recent NRPA meehng m Phoemx that had
record attendance. Next year the meeting will be held m Denver and Dropmski mvrted
the Boazd members to consider attending.
Dropmski spoke about mformahon mcluded m last month's boazd packet concemmg
issues at Pleasantview fields that need to be resolved. Hawthome mformed the Boazd
that m the nex[ few months, staff plans to hold meetmgs with Open Space staff and
neighborhood residents and then come back to the Boazd with recommendations on what
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Hoge asked if, as a citizen suggested eazher, BVSD ~s becoming more restnchve in the
use of their fields for soccer Kotowski responded that the schools have a number of
fields which they rent and with a[l of the construction go~ng on at the different schools,
some fields may be out of use temporanly. The Boazd stated that it would be
mappropnate for Boulder to take the bulk of the burden for providmg fields if it is a
countywide issue. Drop~nske responded that it needs to be determined where the players
are com~ng from and ~f the percentages match the,fie[d avatlabi[tty tn each area Dooley
stated that this standazd should be applied to all activihes such as softball, golf,
swimmmg, and soccer She feels that when user groups come to the Board it needs to be
deternuned where their membersh~p is and what is avazlable elsewhere m the county to
fill that need.
Dropmslu mformed the Board that the outdoor ice nnk will be located the Civic Center
plaza between the Teahouse and the Atnum. Dooley stated that Lame at Crossroads had
been talkmg to BURA about helping wi[h the ice nnk and Dooley suggested staff follow
up with them for possible fundmg
V. ITEMS FROM BOARD MEMBERS
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Manlove addressed a letter from Fran Sheets about bleachers bemg at the wrong end of
the pool m the plans for the NBRC renovation and suggested staff talk to the swim
^"O""" communrty throughout the design process. Kotowski responded that one of the pool
""" managers had already pointed out the ~mproper p[acement of b[eachers She added that
staff ts trying to schedule a meering with the pool consultant and will inv:te Sheets to
attend
Dooley suggested findmg another location for the platform tenms courts and remazmng
board members expressed a willmgness to revisit the issue. Dooley asked staff to find out
how many people use the platform tenms courts.
[As there still wasdt a quorum, the Boazd moved ahead to Item VII B. Spruce Pool
Renovation at this time.]
VI. ITEMS FOR ACTION
[Note: Ttus rtem was considered out of sequence and followed the Spruce Pool
Renovation diswssion]
A. Consideration of a motion to approve a new lease with Boulder Day Nursery
to continue their use and operation of a day care facility located at 1518
Spruce Street, within Barker Park
Presenter: Russ Driskill
Dnskill provided a bnef history of the Boulder Day Nursery's lease with the City.
''~' At the Mazch 27, 2000 meetmg the Board asked for modificaaons to the lease to
`' ensure a contmued service benefit to the City. The new lease adds the
requirement that the Boulder Day Nursery conhnue to provide a benefit sernce to
the Ciry
The public heanng was opened.
No one spoke
The pubhc heanng was closed
On a mohon by Manlove, seconded by Hoge, the Pazks and Recreauon Advisory
Boazd voted unammously (4-0 with 3 members absent) to approve the new lease
with Boulder Day Nursery to conhnue the~r use and operat~on of a day caze
facihry located at 1518 Spruce Street witlun Bazker Pazk.
VII. ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION/INFORMATION
A. Valmont City Park update
1. Boulder Nordic Club snowmaking pilot project
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Presenters: Diana Smith and Teresa Gri11s, City Liaisons
[Note: This item was considered out of sequence and followed the prazne dog
~' relocaUOn discuss~on]
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Gnlls gave a bnef overview of the cunen[ Boulder Nordic Club proposal to pilot-
test snowmaking at Valmont City Pazk
Manlove asked whether ad~acent neighborhoods have been contacted Sm~th
responded that both mobile home park managers had been contacted to find out
the best way to get in touch wuh all of the peop[e in the netghborhoods Smtth
and Gnlls are working on getttng the word out to all of the residents
Hoge asked how close the snowmakmg maclune would be to residents Gn[!s
demonstrated on the map where the equipment would be located.
Hoge asked how often the equipment would be used and at what time of day.
Gril[s responded that this may be dependent on the amount of snawfall thas year.
Grel[s believes that the equipment will run at raght.
Meyer is mterested m the feasibihry of makmg and maintammg snow. He would
l~ke eqwpment used for the pilot project that is compazable to that which would
ulumately be used.
Manlove rerterated the need to noafy citizens and suggested sendmg out comment
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cazds for feedback. Hoge expressed support for the snowmakmg pilot pro~ect if
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Manlove suggested takmg steps to ensure that the snowmakmg will stop if there is
opposition; as ongmal plans were for a ski track without snowmakmg.
Gnlls addressed some of the Board's concems and comments. She stated that the
Boulder Nordic Club is lookmg at snowmakmg eqmpment that is compazable to
what will be used m the pilot pro~ect. She added that there is an extensive
evaluation and momtoring list which mcludes water usage, electncal usage, and
noise level measured at vanous pomts around the test site. In addihon, the City
Liaisons' goal is to notify all of the neighbors and they will work to get that
accomphshed.
2. Bridge over Wonderland Creek
Presenters: Diana Smith and Teresa Grills, City Liaisons
Gnlls updated the Boazd on the proposal form the Public Works Department to
change order a low-water crossmg to a 10 foot wide temporary bndge m the
Wonderland Creek alignment m the Valmont City Pazk Phase 1 azea, which
would effecuvely numnuze conflict of use traffic. Gnlls requested feedback from
the Board.
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y^"'° Manlove asked if Pazks and Recreahon would get reimbursed for their poruon of
'`""' the cost of the bridge if it gets relocated anytime m the fumre. Grills responded
that tt would be shared ownership and that the net cost to Parks and Recreat~on
would not change.
Manlove asked if it would be worth the uouble if the bndge is removed m one
yeaz versus five yeazs. Dropinskt responded rhat u would probably be more than
one year but that there's no guarantee
Meyer asked if it could become a permanent temporary bndge and could ~t work
for mul[i-use cychng and nordic skimg. Gril[s responded that n would work very
well for nordtc skung and would be the same k~nd of bndge as the one planned
for the beke path She added that the bndge would be good stzed and could
handle maintenance equipment and small trucks and therefore should work fine
for 5 to 10 years or more.
Meyer, Dooley and Hoge expressed support for the idea and Manlove stated he
was somewhat skept~cal
Gary Lacy, 485 Arapahoe, Boulder 8030_, asked to address the Board. He
thanked the Boazd and the City Liazsons for the opportumty to try the snowmakmg
and gave assurance that the ski commumty will do everytlung possible to
°~ mimmize impacts to the neighbors. He stated that the bndge would benefit skimg
~ by having the separation for the figure-eight loop gomg over and under, wtuch
would ehaunate conflict with the bike trul
Smith presented the Boazd with a I~st of pazkland and common-area amemt~es at
Valmont City Pazk as an init~ation for discussion
Meyer left the meetmg.
3. Prairie dog relocation
[Note: Ttus item was heazd out of sequence and followed the Action Item for the
Boulder Day Nursery lease]
Wichmann mtroduced Susan Miller, wrth Wild Places, who came to address the
Boazd's concems and answer queshons on praine dog issues and relocahon.
Hoge stated that von Bleichert has concems about how the prazne dogs have been
handled and the survival rate for relocated prazrie dogs. She added that he wanted
to know if there was documentaaon to venfy that tlus method of relocation had
been successful.
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Miller gave a chronological lustory of her mvolvement m praine dog relocahons
~'' which began in 1990 while she was workmg m Mountam Parks. She expluned
r`"' that relocahng praine dogs to abandoned burrows is the best chotce, but added
that there azedt many azeas left where that is possible. Ongmally the only
method m use was the auger method wluch was bemg used at the Rocky
Mountam Arsenal with varymg success Construction deadlmes and demand for
yeaz round relocahon led Miller to develop the trenchmg method with a nest box.
Miller explazned "holdmg the dogs", somethmg she developed over a 5 yeaz
penod, where she found that the longer she held the dogs, the more hkely they
were to s[ay m the hole and the more hkely it was to get all the family members.
She has found that uappmg an enhre fanuly of praine dogs and placmg the entire
fanvly mtact on the release site leads to greater success.
Meyer asked how long the prazne dogs aze held. Miller responded that cold
weather, ability to rent equipment and availabdtry of re[ease sites all contribute
to the amount of time that the antmals are held Miller satd that ~deally she would
kke to turn around the dogs in one to rivo weeks, but added rhat she has
successfully held praine dogs for 30 - 40 days and in rehab for up to 6 months
Hoge expressed concem for the dogs being kept m the dark and in a way that
breaks up the cotene. Miller responded that cotenes are kept together and as the
dogs come ~n they are added to the~r family unit She stated that the praine dogs
~ are not kept in the dark, that the lights are kept on for at least 8 hours per day and
" the temperature is kept at 65 °, whzch ~s the temperature of the nest chamber tn the
burrow
Miller sazd that wlule she cannot provide a techmcal study to show that tlus
method works, she can shaze the positive results of two relocaUOns. Miller said
that she is very confident m her abihty to take caze of prazne dogs and crted as an
example the time she had to keep 150 prazne dogs m her gazage after a receiving
site suddenly became unavailable. Dunng the time that she kept the praine dogs,
8 females gave birth and when she released the prazne dogs, 6 survivmg litters
were released. She lost only 5 prame dogs m those 3 months. AddiUOnally only 3
out of 234 prazne dogs were lost m the first Phase 1 release.
Meyer asked if other groups aze domg relocation with other methods? Miller
responded that other than Ciry Open Space, hers es the on[y group that does
relocahon Doggone, the vacuum guy, removes praarae dogs but does not relocate
them, he gives them to the ferret program as a food source. Hoge asked about
Fort Collins, and Miller responded that Fort Colhns had done one relocauon and
[hat rt was based on her methods.
Miller stated that Ted Turner's people aze trymg to do some re-mtroductions m
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New Mexico and have pubhshed a paper on it. She explazned that there techmque
~"`' is basically releasmg prazne dogs m a fenced off azea and seemg what they will
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Dropmski explained that prau7e dogs have gotten onto ballfields and as a result
there is a relocahon program gomg on at Tom Watson Park (IBM). Temporary
fencmg has been put up which will be replaced by a permanent fence. Dropmski
stated that there are praine dogs m the southeast comer of the fields at
Pleasantview, and said that temporary fencmg will be mstalled and the relocaUOn
process will begm there as well. Dropmski satd that the mtegnty of the dam at the
Boulder Reservoir is at issue and the existmg fencing is inadequate. She mformed
the Board that taller fencmg has been ordered and that relocahon will take place
any time that fence is breached.
Hoge svd she beheves the very best fences money can buy ought to be mstalled as
a means of precludmg the need for relocaUOn. Wichmann responded that a taller
and deeper fence well be znstalled and [ogging slash will be added to the barrier.
Wichmann reported that there has been zero flow through ~n areas that have been
slashed.
Manlove said it would be helpful [o know what is needed for an ongomg
successful urban colony and asked about generic problems caused by an isolated
colony. Hoge sazd she ~s mterested m a managed prairie dog site at Valmont City
~ Pazk. Mt[ler responded thar she is torn because it would not be an ideal situarion
as prairie dogs could be kzlled by cars and inbreeding could occur because the
colony would be isolated.
Manlove stated kus position has been that the urban sethng is not suitable habitat
for prazne dogs to live a healthy, happy hfe. He would prefer to see them lost to
predators than see them lost to automobiles and would prefer to see them m a
much more viable setung, such as open space. He feels that a lot of mtensive
management would be needed to keep praine dogs at Valmont. Miller added that
no one has managed a colony that extensively, except for perhaps a Zoo.
Hoge stated that she has a very different view from Manlove on tlus issue and sees
it as a umque opportumty to try an expenment. She would like to have the
opportunity to coexist with animals that have been there for hundreds of
[housands of years M~ller responded rhat whtle she would love to see that
happen, she doesn't feel she has the knowledge or background to be able to say
whether that would be a susta~nable colony
Meyer mquired about mteract~on with the prazne dogs as it relates to fencmg, the
health of the colony and human and pet issues Miller responded that ~t would be
an intensive management issue. Pets would need to be kept on leash, plague
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would be an issue but one she feels is overrared as far as humans are concerned,
~r*~ and there would need to be severe barners to keep the pra~rie dogs contained.
°r.~~ Miller doesn't believe that viny[ fenctng would work tn this case as the praute
dogs are naturally inckned to be on the move across the [andscape. She added
that long term dectsions of how to antroduce new blood and how to safely make
those interacttons when you bring in new praine dogs, would have to be made
Miller suggested the Boazd or staff contact Ted Turner as his people aze prepanng
a display of praine dogs Hoge said she would get the mformation from Miller on
how to wntact Ted Turner
Dooley asked about relocation recervmg sites. Miller responded that the Kelsall
stte is a beautiful receiving site that will accommodate 300 - 500 dogs
Dropmslu asked the Boazd about relocaung prairie dogs from the azea ad~acent to
Phase One m Valmont City Pazk, mstalhng fencmg and mamtainmg the bamer
Hoge responded that she does nat support movtng any prairie dogs until City
Council addresses the issue
Meyer satd he feels that it would be wise to spend the money now to control more
srtes than to be faced with movmg prune dogs off the larger site to the south. He
has no idea where the prazne dog commuruty will ulrimately be, but when he
looks at the $10 rrulhon allocated to develop a pazk m Valmont he feels the Boazd
/~"' needs to be mmdful of the consrituent groups that have been a part of ttus design
5~"~" process He thinks the Board needs to mazntazn the opportumty for as much of
tlus as is possible to develop as a pazk Meyer beheves the prazne dogs north of
the bamer should be removed
Hoge stated that if the decision is made to preserve an azea for the praine dogs she
feels that reseazch ought to be done to deternune the best azea on the park site for
the prazne dogs.
Manlove would rather move 30 prazne dogs now rather than move 300 in a few
yeazs He feels that if a sigruficant port~on of Valmont were turned mto a prazne
dog zoo, it would be a very expensrve zoo. Manlove pomted out that the Boazd
heazd from the soccer commumty eazher m the evenmg and added that there aze a
lot of other groups who aze lookmg for more facilihes, wluch was what the
Valmont property was bought for. If the Boazd were to deviate from the ulumate
use of the property, Manlove felt the Boazd would have to answer to a lot of
taspayers and mterest gtoups.
Dooley stated that she doesn't support relocatmg any prazne dogs until the ~omt
Council study session m February, adding that accordmg to the resoluUOn,
ielocahon is a last resort.
'~ Meyer stated that the Boazd's pnmary responsibihty is to implement and carry out
~ those tlvngs idenafied in the master plan and feels that the Board needs to
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represent Pazks' mterests. Dooley sud that ttus is a city-wide issue and Meyer
/'~ responded that the Boazd needs to azgue from a pazks' perspechve.
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Dropinski stated that there is concern about havmg praine dogs in azeas where
they will have to be relocated at some point. She added that with this particulaz
srte, there was extensive publtc process that resulted m the wncept plan for tlus
srte.
Meyer sazd that there needs to be a pubhc discussion if this Boazd wants to make
sigmficant changes to the concept plan. He would like to discuss further without
pubhc hearing, if the ma~onty of the Boazd does not favor a reduechon. He
would hke the matter brought to the Boazd for further Boazd discussion and
clanfication
The Boazd would like the opportumty to discuss the issue further m a study
session and suggested November 6, as everyone had already set that day aside.
B. Spruce Pool renovation
Presenter: Linda Kotowski
[Note: Tlus item was considered out of sequence and was heazd direcdy after
Items from Boazd MembersJ
~"'"' Kotowski provided the Board with a tustory of repaus to Spruce Pool and the
P~`~ proposed renovahon. She provided a breakout of $450,000 for replacmg the
existang pool structure
Meyer amved at 722 p.m.
Meyer addressed the issue of the unexpected renovation at Spruce Pool and asked
if s[aff knew of any other matters at other recreational facihues that ought to be on
a management time hne to prevent future surpnses. Kotowskt responded that
there wdl be repa~rs to Scott Carpenter Pool as a result of the chlonne leak and
fish kill. Kotowski stated that other projects include replacing older irngation
systems and fencing, adding that those are a[ready on a list and scheduled for a
future date - but that somenmes things fail sooner than anac~pated. Manlove
added that it pomts to the issue of how staff can be better prepazed for unexpected
repaus and renovahon.
Hoge asked if there would be improvements to the pool such as leisure pool
features and a divmg boazd. Kramer responded that in order to have a diving
board the pool would have to be made deeper to a depth of 12 feet. Besedes the
increasing total volume, deepening the pool mzght necessitate a different
mechanical system Kotowski added that there were no plans to add water
~ features at this nme, but that there would sn!! be opporturary to do some of that at
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a later date. She added that the bath house would also be renovated at a later date.
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'w~ Kramer stated that pazkmg for Spruce Pool is a big issue and that changes to the
pool wluch would increase usage would probably be met with opposihon by
neighbors He remmded the Board that years ago a study mdica[ed that expandmg
the pool would necessitate expandmg the bath house, wluch would result in a loss
of deck space or grass. It was deternuned at that time that the same s~ze pool
would be best choice
C. The Year 2000 major update to the Boulder Valley Comprehensive Plan:
Area III - Planning Reserve
Presenter: Susan Richstone, Planning Department
Richstone explazned the possible changes to Area III - Planning Reserve
designation and potential impacts for Pazks and Recreation.
Manlove stated that he ~s somewhat neutral and does not see much of an impact
for a very long time.
Dooley concuned, addmg that [he comp plan is revised every five years. When
the time comes to develop the pazk she is confident that Council will cooperate to
make that happen
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Dropmski stated that staff will forwazd the Boazd's comments to the Plamm~g
Department for their considerat~on on ttus issue. Richstone added that Parks and
Recrearion, as a propefty owner, would be notified of any pubhc process and there
would be further opportunrty for mput
Dropmski mformed the Boazd that the Boulder Golf Associaaon would lilce to
meet wrth the Boazd to review a feasibility study and discuss options for future
golf course development
D. Re-development master plan - Former Angel Pines Country Club at
Flatirons Golf Course
Presenters: Doug Hawthorne, Park Superintendent, Otis Odell and Stanley
Tumer of Odell Architects, P.C.; and Rich Werfel, Economics Research
Associates (ERA)
Odell, Tumer and Werfel gave the Boazd an update on the process of developmg
physical opt~ons for the re-development of Flatirons and Turner provided an
overview of Concept Opdons A through D.
Dooley stated that on-site catenng meets the needs of service groups m town.
~ Manlove asked whether Parks and Recreation ought to be involved in providing
"r banquet facihues.
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~~ Manlove s[ated that it makes sense to focus on golf as that is the pnncipal activity
'w..- here. He doesn't see any intnns~c value m savmg the buildmgs out there if it
doesn't make economic sense to save them. He agreed with phasing out tenms
and said that the ehminahon of the swimming pool ought to be phased to comcide
with the temporary loss of the pool at NBRC He added that gethng the use m
lme with avatlable parkmg makes sense but bnngmg m new uses doesn't
Manlove further stated that ehmmatang the off-site catenng makes a lot more
sense. He ttunks that a rational case wuld be made for providing a banquet
fac~hty as many of the user groups are non-profit commumry groups that serve the
commumry.
Hoge asked about the possibility of a small hotel. Odell responded that the size of
the campus doesn't lend itself to that.
Hoge mquired about the tenms courts and what the need is for tenms. Hawthorne
responded that the courts have not been uhlued by the Parks and Recreatton
Deparhnent. Dropmski added that generally there is a need for mulhple courts
together (6 courts versus the 2 courts at Angel Pmes) and that now there is a push
for indoor tenms courts.
Hoge asked about the possib~hty of an~ce nnk m the wmter t~me Odell
responded that the site is too tight and as the golf course ~s open year round, at
~ may not be feas~ble.
Hoge said it would be useful to have two different options She would like to see
one that reflects a golf course commumty center that includes a pool and
accommodates broader interests and one that focuses solely on gol£ Hawthorne
responded that two defferent ophons, one with a pool and one wethout, would be
brought back to the Board in January. These would include complete economic
analysis
Manlove suggested that this rrught be an opportuniry for public pnvate
partnerslups to pay for the development
Hawthorne stated that the need, not the pnce, should dnve the process and asked
the Board if they feel comfortable gomg ahead wrth the mmimum improvements
regazdless of which optron is selected
Hoge menuoned the possibihty of City Council reducmg the ratio for pazkmg
needs and asked if that had been taken mto considerauon. Odell responded that
it's not [tke[y that a golfer wtll show up on a btcycle or a bus wtth theer bags and
their equipment.
Dooley asked about movmg the pro shop closer to the entrance Odell responded
~' that they w~ll look ~nto the possibility
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Hawthorne asked if the Boazd would hke to see the mformation agazn before
~~ January. Manlove responded that he felr comfortab[e that the pro~ect was headed
"ti.~ in the nght direction. Odell recommended commg back before January and
would like to include it as a short mformaUOnal item at the December 18 meehng.
VIII. Future Board Items and Tours
Study session on Valmont City Pazk - November 6, George Reynolds Branch Library
Study session on environmental sus[amabihty December 11 - Meadows Branch Library
IX. NEXT BOARD MEETING
November 27, 2000
XII. ADJOURN
Meetmg ad~ourned at 11:55 p m.
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APPROVED BY PARKS AND RECREATION
ADVISORY BOARD
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Will Meyer
Boazd Chazr
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Attest
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Georgia a kson
Recordmg Secret
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