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HomeMy WebLinkAboutSigned Minutes - 10/23/2000DO NOT REMOVE - PRAB File Matenal City of Boulder Parks and Recreation Advisory Board I'^ Minutes ''°-' October 23, 2000 City Council Chambers 1777 Broadway 6:00 p.m. The following are the minutes of the October 23, 2000 Ctty of Boulder Parks and Recreation Advisory Board meeting. A permanent set of these minutes and a tape recordtng (maintained for a period of 6 years) are retained in Central Recards (telephone • 441-3043). Board Present: Gwen Dooley, Vice Chur; Charles Manlove, Pam Hoge and Will Meyer, Chair, arnved at 722 Board Absent: Susan Osbome, Dave Wmmg, and Edward von Bleichert Staff Present: Chns Dropmski, Doug Hawthome, Georgia Jackson, Sazah DeSouza, Lmda Kotowski, Russ Dnskill, Tom Kramer, Ann Wichmann ~ [Note: Tape one of five did not record therefore there is no recordmg of the first 45 minutes of the meering] ~ I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA The order of agenda was changed as there was not a quorum of boazd members present II. APPROVAL OF MINUTES September 25, 2000 The approval of nunutes was postponed until the November meehng. III. CITIZEN PARTICIPATION Citazen Participation was opened Enc Simons, 730 Grape Avenue, Boulder 80304, President of the Boulder County Force Soccer Club, addressed the need for addrtional soccer practrce fields and asked the Board to consider convertmg some of the currently undeveloped park land witlun the city mto general traimng fields i"^ ~.. John Baker, 2007 Chpper, Lafayette, CO 80026, soccer coach, asked the Boazd to consider providmg additional soccer practice fields as park sites aze developed. ~", `""' Merry Mungo, 767 Eldorado Dnve, Supenor 80027, soccer team manager, also addressed the need for more soccer prachce fields. Valene Wilhams, 890 Laurel Avenue, Boulder 80303, pazent of a Boulder soccer player, concurred wrth Enc Simons' comments addressmg the shortage of soccer prachce fields. Cheryl Appell, 864 Iris, Boulder 8030_, stated [hat the soccer conshtuency is lazge and expandmg and is m competition for pracUCe fields wrth other fast growmg sports, such as ultima[e frisbee and rugby. She asked the Boazd to be proactive and consider creatmg more practice fields. Joe Jumkas, 2975 Valmont Rd, #240, Boulder 80301, soccer coach, spoke m favor of addrtional soccer pract~ce fields. Amy Wyckoff Judson, 2455 Spotswood Place, Boulder 80303, Development Coordmator for Boulder County Force Soccer, explazned the difficulty m findmg practice fields and added that m the future some who wish to play soccer may be tumed away for lack of fields. Jeff Frant, 1240 Cedaz Avenue #31, Boulder 80304, spoke about the shortage of available fields for soccer pracdce r , "" Bob Lapomte, 5668 Pioneer Rd, Boulder 80301, soccer coach and referee assignor, stated that there aze not enough soccer fields and as a result some adult teams have been tumed away He urged the Boazd to consider providmg addihonal fields for soccer. Robert Lucas, 3950 Newport Lane, Boulder 8030_, spoke about the re-development master plan for Angel Pmes and asked the Board to consider retunmg the banquet facilrty. Dan Bruckner, 3423 Madison X-132, Boulder CO 80303, spoke on behalf of the groups that need meetrng space. He stated that the City of Boulder is sorely lacking in the type of space that already exists at Flatirons and there is a genume need for more space to accommodate all the groups that currently use the facihty. Ciazen Pazvcipaaon was closed IV. ITEMS FROM THE DIRECTOR Dropmski mformed the Boazd that the anchor for Burke Pazk had amved and was being stored at the egg fazm facihry at Valmont City Pazk unnl ready for mstallation. She added that a dedicahon ceremony is tentahvely scheduled for Memorial Day weekend ~ +,~, PRAB Meenng 10Y23/00 - Page 2 Dropmski stated that the skatepazk has been mvited to submit a full grant for a$3,000 grant from the Commumty FoundaUOn servmg Boulder County. NotificaUon for the ,/'~ grant will come someume m January. Hoge asked what total do[lar amount has been ~~ ratsed to date for the skatepark Diana Snvth, Crty Liazson, responded that $32Q000 has been ra~sed so faz. Dropinski handed the Boazd a letter and petiaon askmg the Board to reopen the issue of relocaung the platform tennis at the North Boulder RecreaUOn Center Dropmski mformed the Boazd that the City Council Study Session for envuonmental sustamability, the IPM that was tentatively scheduled for December 12, has been rescheduled for February 13. Staff would like to meet with Hoge and von Ble~chert, hazsons for the environmental sustaznabilrty goal, to put together a framework for that study session, prior to the November 27 PRAB meeung. Hoge, Manlove and Dooley sud they aze available for a Boazd study session on either December 4 or 11. Dropmslu gave the Boazd an overview of the recent NRPA meehng m Phoemx that had record attendance. Next year the meeting will be held m Denver and Dropmski mvrted the Boazd members to consider attending. Dropmski spoke about mformahon mcluded m last month's boazd packet concemmg issues at Pleasantview fields that need to be resolved. Hawthome mformed the Boazd that m the nex[ few months, staff plans to hold meetmgs with Open Space staff and neighborhood residents and then come back to the Boazd with recommendations on what ""'"~ needs to be done. Hoge asked if, as a citizen suggested eazher, BVSD ~s becoming more restnchve in the use of their fields for soccer Kotowski responded that the schools have a number of fields which they rent and with a[l of the construction go~ng on at the different schools, some fields may be out of use temporanly. The Boazd stated that it would be mappropnate for Boulder to take the bulk of the burden for providmg fields if it is a countywide issue. Drop~nske responded that it needs to be determined where the players are com~ng from and ~f the percentages match the,fie[d avatlabi[tty tn each area Dooley stated that this standazd should be applied to all activihes such as softball, golf, swimmmg, and soccer She feels that when user groups come to the Board it needs to be deternuned where their membersh~p is and what is avazlable elsewhere m the county to fill that need. Dropmslu mformed the Board that the outdoor ice nnk will be located the Civic Center plaza between the Teahouse and the Atnum. Dooley stated that Lame at Crossroads had been talkmg to BURA about helping wi[h the ice nnk and Dooley suggested staff follow up with them for possible fundmg V. ITEMS FROM BOARD MEMBERS y~~, PRAB Meenng 10/23/00 - Page 3 Manlove addressed a letter from Fran Sheets about bleachers bemg at the wrong end of the pool m the plans for the NBRC renovation and suggested staff talk to the swim ^"O""" communrty throughout the design process. Kotowski responded that one of the pool """ managers had already pointed out the ~mproper p[acement of b[eachers She added that staff ts trying to schedule a meering with the pool consultant and will inv:te Sheets to attend Dooley suggested findmg another location for the platform tenms courts and remazmng board members expressed a willmgness to revisit the issue. Dooley asked staff to find out how many people use the platform tenms courts. [As there still wasdt a quorum, the Boazd moved ahead to Item VII B. Spruce Pool Renovation at this time.] VI. ITEMS FOR ACTION [Note: Ttus rtem was considered out of sequence and followed the Spruce Pool Renovation diswssion] A. Consideration of a motion to approve a new lease with Boulder Day Nursery to continue their use and operation of a day care facility located at 1518 Spruce Street, within Barker Park Presenter: Russ Driskill Dnskill provided a bnef history of the Boulder Day Nursery's lease with the City. ''~' At the Mazch 27, 2000 meetmg the Board asked for modificaaons to the lease to `' ensure a contmued service benefit to the City. The new lease adds the requirement that the Boulder Day Nursery conhnue to provide a benefit sernce to the Ciry The public heanng was opened. No one spoke The pubhc heanng was closed On a mohon by Manlove, seconded by Hoge, the Pazks and Recreauon Advisory Boazd voted unammously (4-0 with 3 members absent) to approve the new lease with Boulder Day Nursery to conhnue the~r use and operat~on of a day caze facihry located at 1518 Spruce Street witlun Bazker Pazk. VII. ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION/INFORMATION A. Valmont City Park update 1. Boulder Nordic Club snowmaking pilot project ,... y,,, PRAB Meehng 10/23/00 - Page 4 Presenters: Diana Smith and Teresa Gri11s, City Liaisons [Note: This item was considered out of sequence and followed the prazne dog ~' relocaUOn discuss~on] +~... Gnlls gave a bnef overview of the cunen[ Boulder Nordic Club proposal to pilot- test snowmaking at Valmont City Pazk Manlove asked whether ad~acent neighborhoods have been contacted Sm~th responded that both mobile home park managers had been contacted to find out the best way to get in touch wuh all of the peop[e in the netghborhoods Smtth and Gnlls are working on getttng the word out to all of the residents Hoge asked how close the snowmakmg maclune would be to residents Gn[!s demonstrated on the map where the equipment would be located. Hoge asked how often the equipment would be used and at what time of day. Gril[s responded that this may be dependent on the amount of snawfall thas year. Grel[s believes that the equipment will run at raght. Meyer is mterested m the feasibihry of makmg and maintammg snow. He would l~ke eqwpment used for the pilot project that is compazable to that which would ulumately be used. Manlove rerterated the need to noafy citizens and suggested sendmg out comment ,„ w cazds for feedback. Hoge expressed support for the snowmakmg pilot pro~ect if ~"~ [he public is nohfied. Manlove suggested takmg steps to ensure that the snowmakmg will stop if there is opposition; as ongmal plans were for a ski track without snowmakmg. Gnlls addressed some of the Board's concems and comments. She stated that the Boulder Nordic Club is lookmg at snowmakmg eqmpment that is compazable to what will be used m the pilot pro~ect. She added that there is an extensive evaluation and momtoring list which mcludes water usage, electncal usage, and noise level measured at vanous pomts around the test site. In addihon, the City Liaisons' goal is to notify all of the neighbors and they will work to get that accomphshed. 2. Bridge over Wonderland Creek Presenters: Diana Smith and Teresa Grills, City Liaisons Gnlls updated the Boazd on the proposal form the Public Works Department to change order a low-water crossmg to a 10 foot wide temporary bndge m the Wonderland Creek alignment m the Valmont City Pazk Phase 1 azea, which would effecuvely numnuze conflict of use traffic. Gnlls requested feedback from the Board. ~"` 'v,., PRAB Meetmg 10/23/00 - Page 5 y^"'° Manlove asked if Pazks and Recreahon would get reimbursed for their poruon of '`""' the cost of the bridge if it gets relocated anytime m the fumre. Grills responded that tt would be shared ownership and that the net cost to Parks and Recreat~on would not change. Manlove asked if it would be worth the uouble if the bndge is removed m one yeaz versus five yeazs. Dropinskt responded rhat u would probably be more than one year but that there's no guarantee Meyer asked if it could become a permanent temporary bndge and could ~t work for mul[i-use cychng and nordic skimg. Gril[s responded that n would work very well for nordtc skung and would be the same k~nd of bndge as the one planned for the beke path She added that the bndge would be good stzed and could handle maintenance equipment and small trucks and therefore should work fine for 5 to 10 years or more. Meyer, Dooley and Hoge expressed support for the idea and Manlove stated he was somewhat skept~cal Gary Lacy, 485 Arapahoe, Boulder 8030_, asked to address the Board. He thanked the Boazd and the City Liazsons for the opportumty to try the snowmakmg and gave assurance that the ski commumty will do everytlung possible to °~ mimmize impacts to the neighbors. He stated that the bndge would benefit skimg ~ by having the separation for the figure-eight loop gomg over and under, wtuch would ehaunate conflict with the bike trul Smith presented the Boazd with a I~st of pazkland and common-area amemt~es at Valmont City Pazk as an init~ation for discussion Meyer left the meetmg. 3. Prairie dog relocation [Note: Ttus item was heazd out of sequence and followed the Action Item for the Boulder Day Nursery lease] Wichmann mtroduced Susan Miller, wrth Wild Places, who came to address the Boazd's concems and answer queshons on praine dog issues and relocahon. Hoge stated that von Bleichert has concems about how the prazne dogs have been handled and the survival rate for relocated prazrie dogs. She added that he wanted to know if there was documentaaon to venfy that tlus method of relocation had been successful. e~^ ~,,,,. PRAB Meetmg 10/23/00 - Page 6 Miller gave a chronological lustory of her mvolvement m praine dog relocahons ~'' which began in 1990 while she was workmg m Mountam Parks. She expluned r`"' that relocahng praine dogs to abandoned burrows is the best chotce, but added that there azedt many azeas left where that is possible. Ongmally the only method m use was the auger method wluch was bemg used at the Rocky Mountam Arsenal with varymg success Construction deadlmes and demand for yeaz round relocahon led Miller to develop the trenchmg method with a nest box. Miller explazned "holdmg the dogs", somethmg she developed over a 5 yeaz penod, where she found that the longer she held the dogs, the more hkely they were to s[ay m the hole and the more hkely it was to get all the family members. She has found that uappmg an enhre fanuly of praine dogs and placmg the entire fanvly mtact on the release site leads to greater success. Meyer asked how long the prazne dogs aze held. Miller responded that cold weather, ability to rent equipment and availabdtry of re[ease sites all contribute to the amount of time that the antmals are held Miller satd that ~deally she would kke to turn around the dogs in one to rivo weeks, but added rhat she has successfully held praine dogs for 30 - 40 days and in rehab for up to 6 months Hoge expressed concem for the dogs being kept m the dark and in a way that breaks up the cotene. Miller responded that cotenes are kept together and as the dogs come ~n they are added to the~r family unit She stated that the praine dogs ~ are not kept in the dark, that the lights are kept on for at least 8 hours per day and " the temperature is kept at 65 °, whzch ~s the temperature of the nest chamber tn the burrow Miller sazd that wlule she cannot provide a techmcal study to show that tlus method works, she can shaze the positive results of two relocaUOns. Miller said that she is very confident m her abihty to take caze of prazne dogs and crted as an example the time she had to keep 150 prazne dogs m her gazage after a receiving site suddenly became unavailable. Dunng the time that she kept the praine dogs, 8 females gave birth and when she released the prazne dogs, 6 survivmg litters were released. She lost only 5 prame dogs m those 3 months. AddiUOnally only 3 out of 234 prazne dogs were lost m the first Phase 1 release. Meyer asked if other groups aze domg relocation with other methods? Miller responded that other than Ciry Open Space, hers es the on[y group that does relocahon Doggone, the vacuum guy, removes praarae dogs but does not relocate them, he gives them to the ferret program as a food source. Hoge asked about Fort Collins, and Miller responded that Fort Colhns had done one relocauon and [hat rt was based on her methods. Miller stated that Ted Turner's people aze trymg to do some re-mtroductions m ~",, y.,,• PRAB Meetmg 10YZ3/00 - Page 7 New Mexico and have pubhshed a paper on it. She explazned that there techmque ~"`' is basically releasmg prazne dogs m a fenced off azea and seemg what they will ~"'" do. Dropmski explained that prau7e dogs have gotten onto ballfields and as a result there is a relocahon program gomg on at Tom Watson Park (IBM). Temporary fencmg has been put up which will be replaced by a permanent fence. Dropmski stated that there are praine dogs m the southeast comer of the fields at Pleasantview, and said that temporary fencmg will be mstalled and the relocaUOn process will begm there as well. Dropmski satd that the mtegnty of the dam at the Boulder Reservoir is at issue and the existmg fencing is inadequate. She mformed the Board that taller fencmg has been ordered and that relocahon will take place any time that fence is breached. Hoge svd she beheves the very best fences money can buy ought to be mstalled as a means of precludmg the need for relocaUOn. Wichmann responded that a taller and deeper fence well be znstalled and [ogging slash will be added to the barrier. Wichmann reported that there has been zero flow through ~n areas that have been slashed. Manlove said it would be helpful [o know what is needed for an ongomg successful urban colony and asked about generic problems caused by an isolated colony. Hoge sazd she ~s mterested m a managed prairie dog site at Valmont City ~ Pazk. Mt[ler responded thar she is torn because it would not be an ideal situarion as prairie dogs could be kzlled by cars and inbreeding could occur because the colony would be isolated. Manlove stated kus position has been that the urban sethng is not suitable habitat for prazne dogs to live a healthy, happy hfe. He would prefer to see them lost to predators than see them lost to automobiles and would prefer to see them m a much more viable setung, such as open space. He feels that a lot of mtensive management would be needed to keep praine dogs at Valmont. Miller added that no one has managed a colony that extensively, except for perhaps a Zoo. Hoge stated that she has a very different view from Manlove on tlus issue and sees it as a umque opportumty to try an expenment. She would like to have the opportunity to coexist with animals that have been there for hundreds of [housands of years M~ller responded rhat whtle she would love to see that happen, she doesn't feel she has the knowledge or background to be able to say whether that would be a susta~nable colony Meyer mquired about mteract~on with the prazne dogs as it relates to fencmg, the health of the colony and human and pet issues Miller responded that ~t would be an intensive management issue. Pets would need to be kept on leash, plague /"`~ ~ PRAB Meenng 10@3/00 - Page 8 would be an issue but one she feels is overrared as far as humans are concerned, ~r*~ and there would need to be severe barners to keep the pra~rie dogs contained. °r.~~ Miller doesn't believe that viny[ fenctng would work tn this case as the praute dogs are naturally inckned to be on the move across the [andscape. She added that long term dectsions of how to antroduce new blood and how to safely make those interacttons when you bring in new praine dogs, would have to be made Miller suggested the Boazd or staff contact Ted Turner as his people aze prepanng a display of praine dogs Hoge said she would get the mformation from Miller on how to wntact Ted Turner Dooley asked about relocation recervmg sites. Miller responded that the Kelsall stte is a beautiful receiving site that will accommodate 300 - 500 dogs Dropmslu asked the Boazd about relocaung prairie dogs from the azea ad~acent to Phase One m Valmont City Pazk, mstalhng fencmg and mamtainmg the bamer Hoge responded that she does nat support movtng any prairie dogs until City Council addresses the issue Meyer satd he feels that it would be wise to spend the money now to control more srtes than to be faced with movmg prune dogs off the larger site to the south. He has no idea where the prazne dog commuruty will ulrimately be, but when he looks at the $10 rrulhon allocated to develop a pazk m Valmont he feels the Boazd /~"' needs to be mmdful of the consrituent groups that have been a part of ttus design 5~"~" process He thinks the Board needs to mazntazn the opportumty for as much of tlus as is possible to develop as a pazk Meyer beheves the prazne dogs north of the bamer should be removed Hoge stated that if the decision is made to preserve an azea for the praine dogs she feels that reseazch ought to be done to deternune the best azea on the park site for the prazne dogs. Manlove would rather move 30 prazne dogs now rather than move 300 in a few yeazs He feels that if a sigruficant port~on of Valmont were turned mto a prazne dog zoo, it would be a very expensrve zoo. Manlove pomted out that the Boazd heazd from the soccer commumty eazher m the evenmg and added that there aze a lot of other groups who aze lookmg for more facilihes, wluch was what the Valmont property was bought for. If the Boazd were to deviate from the ulumate use of the property, Manlove felt the Boazd would have to answer to a lot of taspayers and mterest gtoups. Dooley stated that she doesn't support relocatmg any prazne dogs until the ~omt Council study session m February, adding that accordmg to the resoluUOn, ielocahon is a last resort. '~ Meyer stated that the Boazd's pnmary responsibihty is to implement and carry out ~ those tlvngs idenafied in the master plan and feels that the Board needs to PRAB Meenng 10/23/00 • Page 9 represent Pazks' mterests. Dooley sud that ttus is a city-wide issue and Meyer /'~ responded that the Boazd needs to azgue from a pazks' perspechve. ~.- Dropinski stated that there is concern about havmg praine dogs in azeas where they will have to be relocated at some point. She added that with this particulaz srte, there was extensive publtc process that resulted m the wncept plan for tlus srte. Meyer sazd that there needs to be a pubhc discussion if this Boazd wants to make sigmficant changes to the concept plan. He would like to discuss further without pubhc hearing, if the ma~onty of the Boazd does not favor a reduechon. He would hke the matter brought to the Boazd for further Boazd discussion and clanfication The Boazd would like the opportumty to discuss the issue further m a study session and suggested November 6, as everyone had already set that day aside. B. Spruce Pool renovation Presenter: Linda Kotowski [Note: Tlus item was considered out of sequence and was heazd direcdy after Items from Boazd MembersJ ~"'"' Kotowski provided the Board with a tustory of repaus to Spruce Pool and the P~`~ proposed renovahon. She provided a breakout of $450,000 for replacmg the existang pool structure Meyer amved at 722 p.m. Meyer addressed the issue of the unexpected renovation at Spruce Pool and asked if s[aff knew of any other matters at other recreational facihues that ought to be on a management time hne to prevent future surpnses. Kotowskt responded that there wdl be repa~rs to Scott Carpenter Pool as a result of the chlonne leak and fish kill. Kotowski stated that other projects include replacing older irngation systems and fencing, adding that those are a[ready on a list and scheduled for a future date - but that somenmes things fail sooner than anac~pated. Manlove added that it pomts to the issue of how staff can be better prepazed for unexpected repaus and renovahon. Hoge asked if there would be improvements to the pool such as leisure pool features and a divmg boazd. Kramer responded that in order to have a diving board the pool would have to be made deeper to a depth of 12 feet. Besedes the increasing total volume, deepening the pool mzght necessitate a different mechanical system Kotowski added that there were no plans to add water ~ features at this nme, but that there would sn!! be opporturary to do some of that at °'~- PRAB Meenng 1Of23/00 - Page 10 \ a later date. She added that the bath house would also be renovated at a later date. ~".` 'w~ Kramer stated that pazkmg for Spruce Pool is a big issue and that changes to the pool wluch would increase usage would probably be met with opposihon by neighbors He remmded the Board that years ago a study mdica[ed that expandmg the pool would necessitate expandmg the bath house, wluch would result in a loss of deck space or grass. It was deternuned at that time that the same s~ze pool would be best choice C. The Year 2000 major update to the Boulder Valley Comprehensive Plan: Area III - Planning Reserve Presenter: Susan Richstone, Planning Department Richstone explazned the possible changes to Area III - Planning Reserve designation and potential impacts for Pazks and Recreation. Manlove stated that he ~s somewhat neutral and does not see much of an impact for a very long time. Dooley concuned, addmg that [he comp plan is revised every five years. When the time comes to develop the pazk she is confident that Council will cooperate to make that happen ,~"" Hoge stated that she feels much the same way. ~.. Dropmski stated that staff will forwazd the Boazd's comments to the Plamm~g Department for their considerat~on on ttus issue. Richstone added that Parks and Recrearion, as a propefty owner, would be notified of any pubhc process and there would be further opportunrty for mput Dropmski mformed the Boazd that the Boulder Golf Associaaon would lilce to meet wrth the Boazd to review a feasibility study and discuss options for future golf course development D. Re-development master plan - Former Angel Pines Country Club at Flatirons Golf Course Presenters: Doug Hawthorne, Park Superintendent, Otis Odell and Stanley Tumer of Odell Architects, P.C.; and Rich Werfel, Economics Research Associates (ERA) Odell, Tumer and Werfel gave the Boazd an update on the process of developmg physical opt~ons for the re-development of Flatirons and Turner provided an overview of Concept Opdons A through D. Dooley stated that on-site catenng meets the needs of service groups m town. ~ Manlove asked whether Parks and Recreation ought to be involved in providing "r banquet facihues. PRAB Meenng 10/23/00 - Page I I ~~ Manlove s[ated that it makes sense to focus on golf as that is the pnncipal activity 'w..- here. He doesn't see any intnns~c value m savmg the buildmgs out there if it doesn't make economic sense to save them. He agreed with phasing out tenms and said that the ehminahon of the swimming pool ought to be phased to comcide with the temporary loss of the pool at NBRC He added that gethng the use m lme with avatlable parkmg makes sense but bnngmg m new uses doesn't Manlove further stated that ehmmatang the off-site catenng makes a lot more sense. He ttunks that a rational case wuld be made for providing a banquet fac~hty as many of the user groups are non-profit commumry groups that serve the commumry. Hoge asked about the possibility of a small hotel. Odell responded that the size of the campus doesn't lend itself to that. Hoge mquired about the tenms courts and what the need is for tenms. Hawthorne responded that the courts have not been uhlued by the Parks and Recreatton Deparhnent. Dropmski added that generally there is a need for mulhple courts together (6 courts versus the 2 courts at Angel Pmes) and that now there is a push for indoor tenms courts. Hoge asked about the possib~hty of an~ce nnk m the wmter t~me Odell responded that the site is too tight and as the golf course ~s open year round, at ~ may not be feas~ble. Hoge said it would be useful to have two different options She would like to see one that reflects a golf course commumty center that includes a pool and accommodates broader interests and one that focuses solely on gol£ Hawthorne responded that two defferent ophons, one with a pool and one wethout, would be brought back to the Board in January. These would include complete economic analysis Manlove suggested that this rrught be an opportuniry for public pnvate partnerslups to pay for the development Hawthorne stated that the need, not the pnce, should dnve the process and asked the Board if they feel comfortable gomg ahead wrth the mmimum improvements regazdless of which optron is selected Hoge menuoned the possibihty of City Council reducmg the ratio for pazkmg needs and asked if that had been taken mto considerauon. Odell responded that it's not [tke[y that a golfer wtll show up on a btcycle or a bus wtth theer bags and their equipment. Dooley asked about movmg the pro shop closer to the entrance Odell responded ~' that they w~ll look ~nto the possibility ~..~ PRAB Meenng 10/23/00 - Page l2 Hawthorne asked if the Boazd would hke to see the mformation agazn before ~~ January. Manlove responded that he felr comfortab[e that the pro~ect was headed "ti.~ in the nght direction. Odell recommended commg back before January and would like to include it as a short mformaUOnal item at the December 18 meehng. VIII. Future Board Items and Tours Study session on Valmont City Pazk - November 6, George Reynolds Branch Library Study session on environmental sus[amabihty December 11 - Meadows Branch Library IX. NEXT BOARD MEETING November 27, 2000 XII. ADJOURN Meetmg ad~ourned at 11:55 p m. ~ APPROVED BY PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD ~~ n~~~ Will Meyer Boazd Chazr A""'' ~ Attest , ` G'f~ Georgia a kson Recordmg Secret PRAB Meehng 10/23/00 - Page 13