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HomeMy WebLinkAboutSigned Minutes - 9/25/2000DO NOT REMOVE - PRAB File Matenal ~,,,,, City of Boulder , Parks and Recreation Advisory Board Minutes September 25, 2000 City Council Chambers 1777 Broadway 6:00 p.m. The following are the mtnutes of the September 25, 2000 City of Boulder Parks and Recreation Advisory Board meeting. A permanent set of these martutes and a tape recording (mainta~ned for a period of 6 years) are retained ~n Centra[ Records (telephone: 441-3043) Board Present: Will Meyer, Chau; Gwen Dooley, Vice Cha~r, Susan Osborne, Dave Wmmg, Edwazd von BleicheR, Charles Manlove, and Pam Hoge Staff Present: Chns Dropmski, Ken Ramsey, Doug Hawthome, Georgia Jackson, Sarah DeSouza, Mike Kiley, Maureen Spi[zer, A1 Quiller, Steve Whipple, Lisa Bondi, Kate Bernhazdt, Ann Wichmann ~,.,, I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA The agenda was approved as sub~cutted II. APPROVAL OF MINUTES August 31, 2000 The mmutes were approved with changes September 6, 2000 The minutes were approved as submitted. III. CITIZEN PARTICIPATION C~hzen Participation was opened. Bill De Oreo, 3035 15`" Street, Boulder, CO 80304, provided the Board wuh a sketch plan of how to enhance the Commumty Gardens and encouraged the Board to consider fundmg the purchase of property from the Long family With regard to the NBRC renovahon, De Oreo stated that he would like to see as many lap lanes as possible and /"'~ added that there aze a lot of people who do not want to see the paddle tenms moved out ~ mto the grassy azea. D J. Schell, 5077-A Valmont Rd, Boulder 8030_, sazd lus ideas for the pool mclude another divmg boazd, perhaps a lugh dive and a shde Citizen Participahon was closed IV. ITEMS FROM THE DIRECTOR Dropinski called the Boazd's attention to the Design and Construction Pro~ects update mcluded m their packet This mformat~on shows the status of capital pro~ects currendy m the works Dropmski asked the Board to famihanze themselves with issues at Pleasantview fields [hat will need to be dealt with, direchng them to the memo mcluded m the packet. Meyer asked Dropmski to highhght any issues that may have come out of the tour that preceded the evenmg PRAB meetmg. Ramsey rephed that schedules were dtscussed Beach Park and Baseline Middle School both should be completed an October, the skate facaliry should be completed ~n November and Footh~lls Communiry Park is scheduled for installat~on of irngated turf this fall, wath shrubs and trees to be planted next sprang ~,,, (Phase 1). +,... DeSouza asked for appointments of two PRAB members to the Boulder Parks and Recreahon Foundation. Dooley nommated Susan Osbome and Dave Winmg nommated Will Meyer Both nominahons were seconded by von Bleichert On motions by Dooley and Wimng, seconded by von Bleichert, the Pazks and Recreation Advisory Boazd voted unammously (7-0) to appomt Meyer and Osbome to the Pazks and Recreanon Foundauon. V. ITEMS FROM BOARD MEMBERS Wmmg thanked staff for the tour, addmg that rt is helpful to get out and see the progress of thmgs discussed m the Boazd meetmgs von Bleichert and Dooley echoed his sentiments. Dooley asked for an update on the praine dog poisomng at Tom Watson Pazk Drop~nsk~ stated that the memo m the packet explazned what had happened - it was an attempt to manage the rabbits that were on the site. There were both prairie dogs and rabb~ts on that sete Today, staff inet on s~te with people from the D~visaon of Wildlife and City staff, to d~scuss potential ways to deal w~th the issue; includtng barrier fenctng and re[ocation ~"'"" PRAB Meehng 9/25/00 - Page 2 ~ Meyer thanked Pazks and Recreation staff and everyone who worked hard fightmg the ~ fire to save the Mountain Parks backdrop. Manlove stated tha[ recenfly he approached two fanuhes who were sethng off model rockets m North Boulder Park and mformed them that II was an illegal activity The cihzens rephed that they had called the City and been told that rt was acceptable as long as they were domg it m an imgated azea Manlove did not know which City personnel had been contacted and given out that rrusmformation. Dropinski asked if he knew how to contact these citizens and Manlove responded that he dtd not know VI. ITEMS FOR ACTION A. Consideration of a motion to approve the schematic desig~ for the North Boulder Recreation Center renovation. (This is a continuation of the 9/6/00 discussion; the public hearing for this item was held on 9/6/00.) Presenters: Maureen Spitzer, Landscape Designer Al Quiller, Recreation Administrator Dave Hamill, architect, Barker Rinker Seacat Sprtzer provided the Board wrth highhghts of the schemahc design showmg 6, 7 and 81ap lanes and the impacts each would have on the immediate sunoundmg pazkmg lot and dnve. A"', ~„ Osbome asked whether providmg deeper water would allow for a drvmg boazd to be mstalled at a later date Quz[ler responded that having deep water allows for other act~vaties such as diving, scuba d~v~ng instrucnon and l~feguard tratrang, but added that the dtvtng board could not be used concurrently wath the drop s[ide Meyer asked for a profile of the depth of the pool. HamiU satd that ongtnal plans show~ng S[anes plus the ramp lane had a depth of 3-1/2 feet io 5 feet at ihe deep end, w~th no deep water Hoge asked whether anyone could speak to the need for a 3-1/2 foot depth and a cihzen m the audience addressed the Boazd• Mary Ellen Thorne, 1075 10th Street, Boulder 80302, stated that most young leamers go to the leisure pool because of the wazmer water and shallower depth By the hme they aze in higher level swimmmg lessons, they are m the wlder, deeper pool. She added that 3-1/2 feet was too shallow and not conducive to swimmmg laps. Hanull stated that most pools he has designed begin a[ 3-1/2 feet, pnmanly because of the age group that can be accommodated. ~ ~,,,,,, PRAB Meenng 9/25/00 - Page 3 ~ The Boazd asked Steve Whipple, Recreauon Adicumstrator at EBCC for h~s opmion on the matter. Wlupple stated that all of the pools he has run have had a depth of 3-1/2 feet at the shallow end Pools used exclusively for competitive swimmmg are the only ones he has seen that begm at 5 feet m the shallow end. It is his expenence that a multipurpose pool is desirable. On a mohon by Dooley, seconded by Osborne, the Parks and Recreation Advisory Boazd voted unanimously (7-0) to approve the Schematic Design as detailed m the September 6, 2000 packet, with the lap pool expanded to 81anes with bleacher azea [expanded deck space], the lap pool deepened to a depth of 12 feet [at the west end] and to include an allowance [of $20,000] for relocatmg 8 lazge trees. On a motion by Manlove, seconded by Hoge, the Pazks and Recreation Advisory Board voted 6-1 (with Dooley dissenhng) to mcorporate the drop shde mto the approval of the schemaric design of the recrearion center. On a motion by Wmmg, seconded by Dooley, the Pazks and RecreaUOn Advisory Boazd voted unanimously (7-0) [o add $10,000 -$15,000 to mclude a divmg board as part of the renovation. Meyer repeated testimony from the last meetmg, statmg that one way to reduce the amount of water storage azea (that may well be required) would be to develop the ,~ pazkmg lot with adequate draznage; to use the water to recharge the groundwater ~..~ m the area. He would hke to pursue that to the extent possible Dooley and von Bleichert concurred with Meyer. Osbome asked staff to provide an update on the cost of solar heatmg the water after staff has heard from the Boulder Energy Conservat~on Center. B. Public hearing, review and consideration of an agreement with Boulder Creek Events to provide a temporary winter ice rink, available to the general public for a fee, on the center green at Chautauqua Park from the end of November, 2000 until the end oF January, 2001. Presenters: Doug Hawthorne, Parks Superintendent Annemarie Jensen, Chris Dailey and Aneka Finley, Bou(der Creek Events Hawthorne provided the Board with background mformation and kustory of last yeaz's outdoor ice skatmg nnk and the site selection process for tkus yeaz's ice skatmg nnk. Jensen stated that ice skat~ng is an unmet recreat~onal need m the commumty, and added that Boulder Creek Events is proposing an 80 x 100 ft outdoor rink at Chautauqua on a trial basis for approximately 70 - 90 days ~„"" ~ PRAB Meehng 9/25/00 - Page 4 ~,,.,, Hoge left the meehng ~..,. The Public Heanng was opened. Mary Ellen Thorne, 1075 10`~ Street, Boulder 80302, stated that she and her son aze both in favor of [he ice nnk at Chautauqua with its magical setnng. She feels that those who wish to find solitude at Chautauqua have many truls on which to do so Harnett Paddock, 525 13'h Street, Boulder 80302, stated that she did not receive nohficauon of community/neighborhood discussion relatmg to the proposed ~ce nnk and believes that she should have. She further stated that she is agamst havmg the nnk at Chautauqua. Laurence Paddock, 525 13'~ Street, Boulder 80302, stated that Chautauqua is already the most overused of ciry pazks and expressed concerns over traffic, pollution, noise and pazkmg if the nnk were to be placed there. Anthony Riddle, 700 Grant Place, Boulder 80302, suggested EBCC as an altemate site as it is flat and has plenty of pazking. He expressed concern over pazkmg and stated that already there is no parkmg enforcement at Chautauqua. ~ Dorothy Riddle, 700 Grant Place, Boulder 80302, stated that the proposed ice nnk is the product of people w~th commercial mterests and asked the Board to preserve the little bit of nature left witlun the city. Mary Font, 614 10'~ Street, Boulder 80302, expressed concems about the generator and possible health problems for her son who has asthma Ingnd Fohno, 685 10`" Sueet, Boulder 80302, expressed support for acuviUes at Chautauqua that do not charge a fee (free summer concerts, fireworks and cross country skimg) but does not support commercial use such as ice skaang Deruse Bedoya, 605 10'~ Street, Boulder 80302, thanked Boulder Creek Events for the outdoor skat~ng nnk last yeaz, but added that she is opposed to lceatmg the ice skahng nnk at Chautauqua Cazolanne McKirnan, 930 Grant Place, Boulder 80302, stated that she is vehemenUy opposed to the ice nnk at Chautauqua Park Wlule she thmks it is appropnate for Boulder to have an outdoor ice nnk, she does not believe Chautauqua is the appropnate place M~rcea Fohno, 685 10`" Street, Boulder, 80302, concurred wrth the previous speakers who were opposed to the ice rink at Chautuaqua and suggested the rink ~'^ '~.,,.. PRAB Meetmg 9/25/00 - Page 5 be located at EBCC. ~„'^ ~"' Kerry Gtlbert, 108 Chautauqua Pazk, Boulder 80302, expressed opposiuon to the proposed ice nnk at Chautauqua. She added that noise and pazkmg ordmances are not cusently bemg enforced and encouraged the Board to consider another location for the ice nnk Ben Gilbert, 108 Chautauqua Pazk, Boulder 80302, believes an outdoor ice nnk m Boulder is a must, but does not thmk Chautauqua is the appropnate place He expressed concern for the overuse of the pazk, the generator, lights, music and noise Rich Wildau, 835 Grant Place, Boulder 80302, expressed support for the skatmg nnk at Chautauqua on a tnal basis and beheves that Boulder Creek Events will do everytlung possible to nummize impacts Michael Holleran, 2100 Mesa Dnve, Boulder 80304, thanked Boulder Creek Events for last yeaz's skating nnk but does not feel the nnlc belongs at Chautauqua. He asked the Boazd to re~ect the proposal while there is sUll time to find an altemative srte. Bradford Heap, 177 Artesian, Boulder 80025 (Eldorado), explained how he came to support the ice nnk at Chautauqua. As owner of the dimng hall he feels the ice ~ nnk will not only benefit the dming hall, but the commumry as well ~ Rick Stem, 3122 9`" Street, Boulder 80304, expressed support for the ice nnk and beheves it will not affect the sohtude at Chautauqua because of the many available trazls With regard to pazkmg concems, Stem stated that the auditonum seats 1200 people for summer concerts and those attendmg manage to find places to pazk Ashley Clazke, 2218'/z Mapleton, Boulder 80304, expressed suppon for an outdoorskahng nnk m Boulder Amy Russell, 870 Grant Place, Boulder 80302, expressed support for the skadng nnk at Chautauqua, addmg that concerns people have could be mingated Phil Voegde, JR Engmeenng, 5795 S Pagosa Way, Aurora, CO 80014, wanted everyone to know that as a member of the engmeenng firm for the pro~ect, there would be no impact from the gradmg on the srte rtself. Francie Anhut, 605 12'" Street, Boulder 80302, believes that ice skatmg fits wrth the mission of Chautauqua and city Pazks and expressed a wilhngness to give it a try. She stated that she is m favor of it and would like to see it well managed, '.~,,,. PRAB Meeung 9/25/00 - Page 6 addressmg issues of noise and pazkmg ~ "'- Graham Hill, 1464 Periwmkle Dnve, Boulder 8030_, stated that impacts are city w~de and region wide. He added that if 500 people per day drove from Boulder to Lafayette to skate, there would be more polluhon than if those people had dnven their cazs to Chautauqua He is m favor of the proposed locahon Ramona Clark, 43 Cnsman, Boulder 80302, echoed the sentiments of the two previous speakers, addmg that the idea of an ice skahng nnk at the foot of the Flatirons is mtensely romannc She feels that impacts could be handled/mitigated.. Jape Abruscato, 2455 Kenwood Dnve, Boulder 80305, stated that he and his fanuly tlunk that an ice nnk is a wonderful opportunrty for the ciuzens of Boulder and can't think of a more ideal location He hopes that neighbors' concems can be rmhgated. Beth Pommer, 750 Lmden Place, Boulder 80302, supports outdoor skahng m Boulder but is opposed to the proposed locarion at Chautauqua. She expressed concems over noise levels, pazkmg patrols and operatmg characteristics C. Joshua Taxman, 601 10'" Sueet, applauded Boulder Creek Events and Bradford Heap for theu mtennons and mspiraaon. He expressed concerns over sound and ~" light, especially m wmter, and suggested a thorough mvesUgauon of alternahve `"" sites. Cathy Sparkman, 2185 Stony Hill Rd, Boulder 80305, expressed support for the ice nnk at Chautauqua Pazk She feels that the public green is a place for lots of people and that it ought to be used to be that way. Richazd Brenne, 3245 6`" Street, Boulder 80304, expressed strong support for the ice nnk at Chautauqua. He suggested a discounted pnce for those who caz pool or nde the bus as a means of mingaang traffic concems. Red Masterson, 917 Grant Place, Boulder 80302, stated that the downtown ice nnk was a great idea but feels Chautauqua is not a suitable locahon for the nnk Cathenne Long Gates, 3240 Broadway, Boulder 80304, supports the idea of an outdoor ice skatmg nnk, but is opposed to a nnk at Chautauqua. She urged the Board to consider another location. Stan Zemler, 2440 Peazl Street, Boulder 80304, President of [he Chamber of Commerce, wanted to address a letter to the editor from the previous week that he found dismrbing The letter stated that the dmmg hall owner's involvement was a ~ .,,,,,, PRAB Meenng 9/25/00 - Page 7 ~.. \. . thinly veiled effort to promote his busmess. Zemler hoped the ice nnk could be ~" looked at as an entrepreneunal effort to help a local busmess see success. As a `"`~ member of an Econorruc Sustainability Committee appointed by Crty Council, Zemler stated that one of the three committee azeas that Council wanted to focus on was to "actively pursue immediate and neaz term opportumUes for economic developmenP'. Zemler said he wanted to acknowledge Boulder Creek Fest and Bradford Heap [dimng hall owner] For their entrepreneunal efforts and point out that ~Ys not a bad thmg to try and make commerce work in Boulder. Edward Ross, 930 Grant Place, Boulder 80302, said that the idea of a skahng nnk m Boulder is a good idea, but ~s appalled at the proposed locaaon The Public Heanng was closed. Dooley stated that the staff recommendahon was cont~ngent upon the promoters receivmg favorable support from neighbors and the surrounding commumty. She asked Hawthorne how he felt about tha[ now. Hawthorne responded that he dtd not tally the comments of those for and against the rtnk at Chautauqua and added that he heard a[ot of good comments from those who were for and those who were against ~t. Wimng asked if the nnk at Chautauqua is not approved, will there be time to ~ locate the nnk elsewhere? Jensen responded that delay~ng the dec~sion may mean ~~ that Boulder Creek Events will be unable to rent an ice nnk as the supply of tce nnks ~s limited Wimng said he would love to see outdoor skatmg m Boulder this yeaz, but doesn't feel Chautauqua is the nght long term soluuon. He feels there are more suitable IocaUOns that would have less impact He added that he could support the idea of financial subsidy if needed. von Bleichert read comments from Hoge who had left the meetmg and not yet returned Hoge wanted it known that she strongly supports the idea of an outdoor ice arena but does not feel that this is an ideal place She also had a queshon about the trme frame and wanted to know if a more appropnate location could be found at ttus late hour; on park land or othenvise. She suggested the parkmg lot of the Jushce Center or Crossroads Mall as alternative sites addmg that bus access is very important. Dooley said she has no problem with skatmg at Chautauqua but is concemed about generator noise and feels the Crty could miagate traffic to the pazk with a shuttle service that could be connnued throughout the yeaz. Dooley suggested an alternahve site at Smton Pazk (north of the Dury) She also suggested the Board ~ "~...~ PRAB Meehng 9/25/00 - Page 8 wnte a letter of support to BURA, hopmg to place the nnk where there is more ~ shoppmg, pazkmg and bus routes. ~ Meyer stated that another locahon needed to be found. He suggested Scott Carpenter Park, EBCC or Crossroads and any other opportumues. He would not ob~ect to some financ~al support, per Wimng's earlier suggeshon. Hoge returned to the meetmg. von Bleichert expressed agreement with much of what Dooley and Meyer~ust said. He feels that the generator will run most of the day and mght which is his mam concern The hghts can be tumed down but the locahon of the nnk m the middle of the green impacts activity on the green, not only wkule the nnk is m place but also dunng the recovery process. Hoge sazd she would really hke to find a suitable site for the ice nnk and would suongly support the Pazks and Recreauon Department helpmg out financ~ally Dropinsla asked the Boazd if they would hke to make a suggestion as to where this money would come from as the budget is very tight. Meyer responded that perhaps same of the promoter's costs could be elimznated if the Parks and Recreatton Deparhnent helped out tn some way, such as taking down the rink and returnzng the area to us natural state. ~„^ ''~ Hawthome stated that to look at another pazk srte, would require bnngmg the ma[ter back to the Boazd m a month, after neighborhood meetmgs. von Bleichert asked if the $50,000 is avazlable for the nnk only if it is located at Chautauqua. Jensen responded that there is a remote possab~kty that the Buszness Improvement D~strrct could offer some financaal assastance Dooley offered the followmg moUOn Although the Pazks and Recreahon Advisory Boazd ts very much m support of an ice skat~ng nnk m Boulder this wmter, it finds Chautauqua Pazk is not the nght place, however the Boazd is wilhng to do whatever it can to find another site for this wmter. The motion was seconded by von Bleichert The motion fazled 4-3 with Wmmg, Osbome, Manlove and Hoge d~ssenhng. On a monon by Hoge, seconded by Manlove, the Pazks and Recreation Advisory Boazd voted unanimously (7-0) to reconsider pooley's mot~on On reconsidenng the mohon by Dooley, seconded by von Bleichert, the Pazks and Recreahon Advisory Boazd voted (5-2 with Wmmg and Osborne dissentmg) that ~ although the Boazd is very much in support of an ice skating nnk in Boulder [his PRAB Meehng 9/25/00 - Page 9 wmter, it finds Chautauqua Pazk is not the nght place; however the Board is ~^ wilhng to do whatever it can to find another site for ttus wmter. ~^ VII. ITENLS FOR DISCUSSION/INFORMATION A. Valmont City Park update Dropmsla explamed to the Boazd that staff was avazlable to update them on development at Valmont Crty Park Kate Bernhazdt was present to answer quesaons on the Phase 1 development schedule and Diana Smith was avazlable to answer quesuons the Boazd nught have regazdmg [he opemng of the partnerslup process. Dropmski reminded the Boud of the December 12 study session with City Council that would focus on Valmont City Pazk and m particulaz, t6e praine dog issue. November 6 has been set aside as a study session on envuonmental sustaznabihry As there will be addiuonal meedngs on a regulaz basis Dropmski stated that it would be easier to schedule those meet~ngs if everyone would keep Mo~day rughts open. Meyer asked for an update on the partnerslup process Smith responded that she ant~cipates having eighr Request to Propose Partnershzps by rhe fzrsr week in October. They are the Boulder Nordic Club, Boulder Chaos Cycling, Boulder /^ Commun~ty Velodrome, Bou[der Ice, BVSD, Boulder Tenn~s Assoctateon and both '~ the Nonh and South Boulder Lztt[e Leagues Dropmski stated that the problem of praine dogs on and surrounding pazk lands is not just a Departmen[ issue, but a c~ty wide ~ssue. As a result, a city w~de, m[egtated prazrie dog pohcy and strategy that is not department specific, needs to be developed Dropmski mformed the Boazd that while praine dogs have been on undeveloped Pazks land, praine dogs m developed urban pazks is a new ~ssue for the Department ttus year Pra~ne dogs aze currently at Pleasantview, Tom Watson Pazk and Boulder Reservoir and Dropmski said to expect to see more bamer fencing and relocation of praine dogs von Bleichert expressed concem over the relocation process and its effect on the praine dogs. For ttus reason von Bleichert beheves it is pazamount to exclude praine dogs from exisung sites and ensure that as few as possible migrate into azeas where they aze not wanted. Dropmski stated that she will want to meet with the liaisons for environmental sustamabihty to set up the agenda for the November study session. Hoge and von Bleichert aze the haisons for environmental sustaznabihty ~ `" Meyer left the meetmg at 11:15. PRAB Meenng 9/25/00 - Page 10 B. Impact of the affordable housing waivers and Development Excise Tax Dropmski sazd that it is likely that more pro~ects will quahfy for the wazver and said that this will impact Department revenues. Manlove asked if there aze waivers on some of the new development, is it possible to shift that burden onto the other development that is paying DET, so that there is the same level of cost recovery~ Or does the department have to forego those funds~ [It appears we should anucipate havmg to forego those funds ] Dropinski asked the Board what, if anytkung, they would hke to have done~ Manlove stated that ~t wou[d be helpful to have a l~st of a[l tdentzfied capttal pro~ects and how long ~t will take to develop them. Thes would be something to show Counctl how [ong ~t will take to develop parks with the amount of funding available Osborne stated that the overall financial impact w~ll not be that great addmg that new revenue sources need to be idennfied. C. Amendment 21 Dropinski brought the statewide issue to the attenhon of the Boazd and pomted ~ out the financial impacts as listed on the spreadsheet mcluded m the packet. ~ VIII. Future Board Items and Tours Dooley asked if many of the items hsted m the packet could be put on a Consent Agenda. Osbome concurred and suggested that Meyer and Dooley meet with staff and decide which items could be mcluded on Consent Agenda. Dropinski remmded the Boazd that Wednesday mght the OSBT will be dealmg wrth the orgamzaaonal structure of the new department of Ope~ Space and Mountun Pazks Study session on environmental sustunability - November 6, location TBD Jomt study session wrth Council - December 12 IX. NEXT BOARD MEETING October 23, 2000 XII. ADJOURN ~ Meetmg ad~oumed at 11:37 p.m. ~ PRAB Meenng 9/25/00 - Page l 1 ~ APPROVED BY PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD. c~u~--~ Will Meyer Boazd Chur Attest: `~ n~~ Georgia J~c son Recordmg ecretary ~ ~ ~ ~ PRAB Meetmg 9/25/00 - Page 12