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~,,,,, City of Boulder
, Parks and Recreation Advisory Board
Minutes
September 25, 2000
City Council Chambers
1777 Broadway
6:00 p.m.
The following are the mtnutes of the September 25, 2000 City of Boulder Parks and Recreation
Advisory Board meeting. A permanent set of these martutes and a tape recording (mainta~ned for
a period of 6 years) are retained ~n Centra[ Records (telephone: 441-3043)
Board Present: Will Meyer, Chau; Gwen Dooley, Vice Cha~r, Susan Osborne, Dave
Wmmg, Edwazd von BleicheR, Charles Manlove, and Pam Hoge
Staff Present: Chns Dropmski, Ken Ramsey, Doug Hawthome, Georgia Jackson, Sarah
DeSouza, Mike Kiley, Maureen Spi[zer, A1 Quiller, Steve Whipple, Lisa
Bondi, Kate Bernhazdt, Ann Wichmann
~,.,, I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
The agenda was approved as sub~cutted
II. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
August 31, 2000
The mmutes were approved with changes
September 6, 2000
The minutes were approved as submitted.
III. CITIZEN PARTICIPATION
C~hzen Participation was opened.
Bill De Oreo, 3035 15`" Street, Boulder, CO 80304, provided the Board wuh a sketch plan
of how to enhance the Commumty Gardens and encouraged the Board to consider
fundmg the purchase of property from the Long family With regard to the NBRC
renovahon, De Oreo stated that he would like to see as many lap lanes as possible and
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added that there aze a lot of people who do not want to see the paddle tenms moved out
~ mto the grassy azea.
D J. Schell, 5077-A Valmont Rd, Boulder 8030_, sazd lus ideas for the pool mclude
another divmg boazd, perhaps a lugh dive and a shde
Citizen Participahon was closed
IV. ITEMS FROM THE DIRECTOR
Dropinski called the Boazd's attention to the Design and Construction Pro~ects update
mcluded m their packet This mformat~on shows the status of capital pro~ects currendy m
the works
Dropmski asked the Board to famihanze themselves with issues at Pleasantview fields
[hat will need to be dealt with, direchng them to the memo mcluded m the packet.
Meyer asked Dropmski to highhght any issues that may have come out of the tour that
preceded the evenmg PRAB meetmg. Ramsey rephed that schedules were dtscussed
Beach Park and Baseline Middle School both should be completed an October, the skate
facaliry should be completed ~n November and Footh~lls Communiry Park is scheduled for
installat~on of irngated turf this fall, wath shrubs and trees to be planted next sprang
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DeSouza asked for appointments of two PRAB members to the Boulder Parks and
Recreahon Foundation. Dooley nommated Susan Osbome and Dave Winmg nommated
Will Meyer Both nominahons were seconded by von Bleichert
On motions by Dooley and Wimng, seconded by von Bleichert, the Pazks and Recreation
Advisory Boazd voted unammously (7-0) to appomt Meyer and Osbome to the Pazks and
Recreanon Foundauon.
V. ITEMS FROM BOARD MEMBERS
Wmmg thanked staff for the tour, addmg that rt is helpful to get out and see the progress
of thmgs discussed m the Boazd meetmgs von Bleichert and Dooley echoed his
sentiments.
Dooley asked for an update on the praine dog poisomng at Tom Watson Pazk Drop~nsk~
stated that the memo m the packet explazned what had happened - it was an attempt to
manage the rabbits that were on the site. There were both prairie dogs and rabb~ts on
that sete Today, staff inet on s~te with people from the D~visaon of Wildlife and City staff,
to d~scuss potential ways to deal w~th the issue; includtng barrier fenctng and re[ocation
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~ Meyer thanked Pazks and Recreation staff and everyone who worked hard fightmg the
~ fire to save the Mountain Parks backdrop.
Manlove stated tha[ recenfly he approached two fanuhes who were sethng off model
rockets m North Boulder Park and mformed them that II was an illegal activity The
cihzens rephed that they had called the City and been told that rt was acceptable as long
as they were domg it m an imgated azea Manlove did not know which City personnel
had been contacted and given out that rrusmformation. Dropinski asked if he knew how
to contact these citizens and Manlove responded that he dtd not know
VI. ITEMS FOR ACTION
A. Consideration of a motion to approve the schematic desig~ for the North
Boulder Recreation Center renovation. (This is a continuation of the 9/6/00
discussion; the public hearing for this item was held on 9/6/00.)
Presenters: Maureen Spitzer, Landscape Designer
Al Quiller, Recreation Administrator
Dave Hamill, architect, Barker Rinker Seacat
Sprtzer provided the Board wrth highhghts of the schemahc design showmg 6, 7
and 81ap lanes and the impacts each would have on the immediate sunoundmg
pazkmg lot and dnve.
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~„ Osbome asked whether providmg deeper water would allow for a drvmg boazd to
be mstalled at a later date Quz[ler responded that having deep water allows for
other act~vaties such as diving, scuba d~v~ng instrucnon and l~feguard tratrang,
but added that the dtvtng board could not be used concurrently wath the drop
s[ide
Meyer asked for a profile of the depth of the pool. HamiU satd that ongtnal plans
show~ng S[anes plus the ramp lane had a depth of 3-1/2 feet io 5 feet at ihe deep
end, w~th no deep water
Hoge asked whether anyone could speak to the need for a 3-1/2 foot depth and a
cihzen m the audience addressed the Boazd•
Mary Ellen Thorne, 1075 10th Street, Boulder 80302, stated that most young
leamers go to the leisure pool because of the wazmer water and shallower depth
By the hme they aze in higher level swimmmg lessons, they are m the wlder,
deeper pool. She added that 3-1/2 feet was too shallow and not conducive to
swimmmg laps.
Hanull stated that most pools he has designed begin a[ 3-1/2 feet, pnmanly
because of the age group that can be accommodated.
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~ The Boazd asked Steve Whipple, Recreauon Adicumstrator at EBCC for h~s
opmion on the matter. Wlupple stated that all of the pools he has run have had a
depth of 3-1/2 feet at the shallow end Pools used exclusively for competitive
swimmmg are the only ones he has seen that begm at 5 feet m the shallow end. It
is his expenence that a multipurpose pool is desirable.
On a mohon by Dooley, seconded by Osborne, the Parks and Recreation Advisory
Boazd voted unanimously (7-0) to approve the Schematic Design as detailed m the
September 6, 2000 packet, with the lap pool expanded to 81anes with bleacher
azea [expanded deck space], the lap pool deepened to a depth of 12 feet [at the
west end] and to include an allowance [of $20,000] for relocatmg 8 lazge trees.
On a motion by Manlove, seconded by Hoge, the Pazks and Recreation Advisory
Board voted 6-1 (with Dooley dissenhng) to mcorporate the drop shde mto the
approval of the schemaric design of the recrearion center.
On a motion by Wmmg, seconded by Dooley, the Pazks and RecreaUOn Advisory
Boazd voted unanimously (7-0) [o add $10,000 -$15,000 to mclude a divmg
board as part of the renovation.
Meyer repeated testimony from the last meetmg, statmg that one way to reduce the
amount of water storage azea (that may well be required) would be to develop the
,~ pazkmg lot with adequate draznage; to use the water to recharge the groundwater
~..~ m the area. He would hke to pursue that to the extent possible Dooley and von
Bleichert concurred with Meyer.
Osbome asked staff to provide an update on the cost of solar heatmg the water
after staff has heard from the Boulder Energy Conservat~on Center.
B. Public hearing, review and consideration of an agreement with Boulder
Creek Events to provide a temporary winter ice rink, available to the general
public for a fee, on the center green at Chautauqua Park from the end of
November, 2000 until the end oF January, 2001.
Presenters: Doug Hawthorne, Parks Superintendent
Annemarie Jensen, Chris Dailey and Aneka Finley, Bou(der
Creek Events
Hawthorne provided the Board with background mformation and kustory of last
yeaz's outdoor ice skatmg nnk and the site selection process for tkus yeaz's ice
skatmg nnk.
Jensen stated that ice skat~ng is an unmet recreat~onal need m the commumty, and
added that Boulder Creek Events is proposing an 80 x 100 ft outdoor rink at
Chautauqua on a trial basis for approximately 70 - 90 days
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The Public Heanng was opened.
Mary Ellen Thorne, 1075 10`~ Street, Boulder 80302, stated that she and her son
aze both in favor of [he ice nnk at Chautauqua with its magical setnng. She feels
that those who wish to find solitude at Chautauqua have many truls on which to
do so
Harnett Paddock, 525 13'h Street, Boulder 80302, stated that she did not receive
nohficauon of community/neighborhood discussion relatmg to the proposed ~ce
nnk and believes that she should have. She further stated that she is agamst
havmg the nnk at Chautauqua.
Laurence Paddock, 525 13'~ Street, Boulder 80302, stated that Chautauqua is
already the most overused of ciry pazks and expressed concerns over traffic,
pollution, noise and pazkmg if the nnk were to be placed there.
Anthony Riddle, 700 Grant Place, Boulder 80302, suggested EBCC as an
altemate site as it is flat and has plenty of pazking. He expressed concern over
pazkmg and stated that already there is no parkmg enforcement at Chautauqua.
~ Dorothy Riddle, 700 Grant Place, Boulder 80302, stated that the proposed ice nnk
is the product of people w~th commercial mterests and asked the Board to
preserve the little bit of nature left witlun the city.
Mary Font, 614 10'~ Street, Boulder 80302, expressed concems about the
generator and possible health problems for her son who has asthma
Ingnd Fohno, 685 10`" Sueet, Boulder 80302, expressed support for acuviUes at
Chautauqua that do not charge a fee (free summer concerts, fireworks and cross
country skimg) but does not support commercial use such as ice skaang
Deruse Bedoya, 605 10'~ Street, Boulder 80302, thanked Boulder Creek Events for
the outdoor skat~ng nnk last yeaz, but added that she is opposed to lceatmg the ice
skahng nnk at Chautauqua
Cazolanne McKirnan, 930 Grant Place, Boulder 80302, stated that she is
vehemenUy opposed to the ice nnk at Chautauqua Park Wlule she thmks it is
appropnate for Boulder to have an outdoor ice nnk, she does not believe
Chautauqua is the appropnate place
M~rcea Fohno, 685 10`" Street, Boulder, 80302, concurred wrth the previous
speakers who were opposed to the ice rink at Chautuaqua and suggested the rink
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be located at EBCC.
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~"' Kerry Gtlbert, 108 Chautauqua Pazk, Boulder 80302, expressed opposiuon to the
proposed ice nnk at Chautauqua. She added that noise and pazkmg ordmances are
not cusently bemg enforced and encouraged the Board to consider another
location for the ice nnk
Ben Gilbert, 108 Chautauqua Pazk, Boulder 80302, believes an outdoor ice nnk m
Boulder is a must, but does not thmk Chautauqua is the appropnate place He
expressed concern for the overuse of the pazk, the generator, lights, music and
noise
Rich Wildau, 835 Grant Place, Boulder 80302, expressed support for the skatmg
nnk at Chautauqua on a tnal basis and beheves that Boulder Creek Events will do
everytlung possible to nummize impacts
Michael Holleran, 2100 Mesa Dnve, Boulder 80304, thanked Boulder Creek
Events for last yeaz's skating nnk but does not feel the nnlc belongs at
Chautauqua. He asked the Boazd to re~ect the proposal while there is sUll time to
find an altemative srte.
Bradford Heap, 177 Artesian, Boulder 80025 (Eldorado), explained how he came
to support the ice nnk at Chautauqua. As owner of the dimng hall he feels the ice
~ nnk will not only benefit the dming hall, but the commumry as well
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Rick Stem, 3122 9`" Street, Boulder 80304, expressed support for the ice nnk and
beheves it will not affect the sohtude at Chautauqua because of the many
available trazls With regard to pazkmg concems, Stem stated that the auditonum
seats 1200 people for summer concerts and those attendmg manage to find places
to pazk
Ashley Clazke, 2218'/z Mapleton, Boulder 80304, expressed suppon for an
outdoorskahng nnk m Boulder
Amy Russell, 870 Grant Place, Boulder 80302, expressed support for the skadng
nnk at Chautauqua, addmg that concerns people have could be mingated
Phil Voegde, JR Engmeenng, 5795 S Pagosa Way, Aurora, CO 80014, wanted
everyone to know that as a member of the engmeenng firm for the pro~ect, there
would be no impact from the gradmg on the srte rtself.
Francie Anhut, 605 12'" Street, Boulder 80302, believes that ice skatmg fits wrth
the mission of Chautauqua and city Pazks and expressed a wilhngness to give it a
try. She stated that she is m favor of it and would like to see it well managed,
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addressmg issues of noise and pazkmg
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"'- Graham Hill, 1464 Periwmkle Dnve, Boulder 8030_, stated that impacts are city
w~de and region wide. He added that if 500 people per day drove from Boulder to
Lafayette to skate, there would be more polluhon than if those people had dnven
their cazs to Chautauqua He is m favor of the proposed locahon
Ramona Clark, 43 Cnsman, Boulder 80302, echoed the sentiments of the two
previous speakers, addmg that the idea of an ice skahng nnk at the foot of the
Flatirons is mtensely romannc She feels that impacts could be
handled/mitigated..
Jape Abruscato, 2455 Kenwood Dnve, Boulder 80305, stated that he and his
fanuly tlunk that an ice nnk is a wonderful opportunrty for the ciuzens of Boulder
and can't think of a more ideal location He hopes that neighbors' concems can
be rmhgated.
Beth Pommer, 750 Lmden Place, Boulder 80302, supports outdoor skahng m
Boulder but is opposed to the proposed locarion at Chautauqua. She expressed
concems over noise levels, pazkmg patrols and operatmg characteristics
C. Joshua Taxman, 601 10'" Sueet, applauded Boulder Creek Events and Bradford
Heap for theu mtennons and mspiraaon. He expressed concerns over sound and
~" light, especially m wmter, and suggested a thorough mvesUgauon of alternahve
`"" sites.
Cathy Sparkman, 2185 Stony Hill Rd, Boulder 80305, expressed support for the
ice nnk at Chautauqua Pazk She feels that the public green is a place for lots of
people and that it ought to be used to be that way.
Richazd Brenne, 3245 6`" Street, Boulder 80304, expressed strong support for the
ice nnk at Chautauqua. He suggested a discounted pnce for those who caz pool or
nde the bus as a means of mingaang traffic concems.
Red Masterson, 917 Grant Place, Boulder 80302, stated that the downtown ice
nnk was a great idea but feels Chautauqua is not a suitable locahon for the nnk
Cathenne Long Gates, 3240 Broadway, Boulder 80304, supports the idea of an
outdoor ice skatmg nnk, but is opposed to a nnk at Chautauqua. She urged the
Board to consider another location.
Stan Zemler, 2440 Peazl Street, Boulder 80304, President of [he Chamber of
Commerce, wanted to address a letter to the editor from the previous week that he
found dismrbing The letter stated that the dmmg hall owner's involvement was a
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thinly veiled effort to promote his busmess. Zemler hoped the ice nnk could be
~" looked at as an entrepreneunal effort to help a local busmess see success. As a
`"`~ member of an Econorruc Sustainability Committee appointed by Crty Council,
Zemler stated that one of the three committee azeas that Council wanted to focus
on was to "actively pursue immediate and neaz term opportumUes for economic
developmenP'. Zemler said he wanted to acknowledge Boulder Creek Fest and
Bradford Heap [dimng hall owner] For their entrepreneunal efforts and point out
that ~Ys not a bad thmg to try and make commerce work in Boulder.
Edward Ross, 930 Grant Place, Boulder 80302, said that the idea of a skahng nnk
m Boulder is a good idea, but ~s appalled at the proposed locaaon
The Public Heanng was closed.
Dooley stated that the staff recommendahon was cont~ngent upon the promoters
receivmg favorable support from neighbors and the surrounding commumty. She
asked Hawthorne how he felt about tha[ now. Hawthorne responded that he dtd
not tally the comments of those for and against the rtnk at Chautauqua and added
that he heard a[ot of good comments from those who were for and those who
were against ~t.
Wimng asked if the nnk at Chautauqua is not approved, will there be time to
~ locate the nnk elsewhere? Jensen responded that delay~ng the dec~sion may mean
~~ that Boulder Creek Events will be unable to rent an ice nnk as the supply of tce
nnks ~s limited
Wimng said he would love to see outdoor skatmg m Boulder this yeaz, but doesn't
feel Chautauqua is the nght long term soluuon. He feels there are more suitable
IocaUOns that would have less impact He added that he could support the idea of
financial subsidy if needed.
von Bleichert read comments from Hoge who had left the meetmg and not yet
returned Hoge wanted it known that she strongly supports the idea of an outdoor
ice arena but does not feel that this is an ideal place She also had a queshon
about the trme frame and wanted to know if a more appropnate location could be
found at ttus late hour; on park land or othenvise. She suggested the parkmg lot
of the Jushce Center or Crossroads Mall as alternative sites addmg that bus access
is very important.
Dooley said she has no problem with skatmg at Chautauqua but is concemed
about generator noise and feels the Crty could miagate traffic to the pazk with a
shuttle service that could be connnued throughout the yeaz. Dooley suggested an
alternahve site at Smton Pazk (north of the Dury) She also suggested the Board
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wnte a letter of support to BURA, hopmg to place the nnk where there is more
~ shoppmg, pazkmg and bus routes.
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Meyer stated that another locahon needed to be found. He suggested Scott
Carpenter Park, EBCC or Crossroads and any other opportumues. He would not
ob~ect to some financ~al support, per Wimng's earlier suggeshon.
Hoge returned to the meetmg.
von Bleichert expressed agreement with much of what Dooley and Meyer~ust
said. He feels that the generator will run most of the day and mght which is his
mam concern The hghts can be tumed down but the locahon of the nnk m the
middle of the green impacts activity on the green, not only wkule the nnk is m
place but also dunng the recovery process.
Hoge sazd she would really hke to find a suitable site for the ice nnk and would
suongly support the Pazks and Recreauon Department helpmg out financ~ally
Dropinsla asked the Boazd if they would hke to make a suggestion as to where
this money would come from as the budget is very tight. Meyer responded that
perhaps same of the promoter's costs could be elimznated if the Parks and
Recreatton Deparhnent helped out tn some way, such as taking down the rink and
returnzng the area to us natural state.
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''~ Hawthome stated that to look at another pazk srte, would require bnngmg the
ma[ter back to the Boazd m a month, after neighborhood meetmgs.
von Bleichert asked if the $50,000 is avazlable for the nnk only if it is located at
Chautauqua. Jensen responded that there is a remote possab~kty that the Buszness
Improvement D~strrct could offer some financaal assastance
Dooley offered the followmg moUOn Although the Pazks and Recreahon
Advisory Boazd ts very much m support of an ice skat~ng nnk m Boulder this
wmter, it finds Chautauqua Pazk is not the nght place, however the Boazd is
wilhng to do whatever it can to find another site for this wmter.
The motion was seconded by von Bleichert
The motion fazled 4-3 with Wmmg, Osbome, Manlove and Hoge d~ssenhng.
On a monon by Hoge, seconded by Manlove, the Pazks and Recreation Advisory
Boazd voted unanimously (7-0) to reconsider pooley's mot~on
On reconsidenng the mohon by Dooley, seconded by von Bleichert, the Pazks and
Recreahon Advisory Boazd voted (5-2 with Wmmg and Osborne dissentmg) that
~ although the Boazd is very much in support of an ice skating nnk in Boulder [his
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wmter, it finds Chautauqua Pazk is not the nght place; however the Board is
~^ wilhng to do whatever it can to find another site for ttus wmter.
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VII. ITENLS FOR DISCUSSION/INFORMATION
A. Valmont City Park update
Dropmsla explamed to the Boazd that staff was avazlable to update them on
development at Valmont Crty Park Kate Bernhazdt was present to answer
quesaons on the Phase 1 development schedule and Diana Smith was avazlable to
answer quesuons the Boazd nught have regazdmg [he opemng of the partnerslup
process.
Dropmski reminded the Boud of the December 12 study session with City
Council that would focus on Valmont City Pazk and m particulaz, t6e praine dog
issue. November 6 has been set aside as a study session on envuonmental
sustaznabihry As there will be addiuonal meedngs on a regulaz basis Dropmski
stated that it would be easier to schedule those meet~ngs if everyone would keep
Mo~day rughts open.
Meyer asked for an update on the partnerslup process Smith responded that she
ant~cipates having eighr Request to Propose Partnershzps by rhe fzrsr week in
October. They are the Boulder Nordic Club, Boulder Chaos Cycling, Boulder
/^ Commun~ty Velodrome, Bou[der Ice, BVSD, Boulder Tenn~s Assoctateon and both
'~ the Nonh and South Boulder Lztt[e Leagues
Dropmski stated that the problem of praine dogs on and surrounding pazk lands is
not just a Departmen[ issue, but a c~ty wide ~ssue. As a result, a city w~de,
m[egtated prazrie dog pohcy and strategy that is not department specific, needs to
be developed
Dropmski mformed the Boazd that while praine dogs have been on undeveloped
Pazks land, praine dogs m developed urban pazks is a new ~ssue for the
Department ttus year Pra~ne dogs aze currently at Pleasantview, Tom Watson
Pazk and Boulder Reservoir and Dropmski said to expect to see more bamer
fencing and relocation of praine dogs
von Bleichert expressed concem over the relocation process and its effect on the
praine dogs. For ttus reason von Bleichert beheves it is pazamount to exclude
praine dogs from exisung sites and ensure that as few as possible migrate into
azeas where they aze not wanted.
Dropmski stated that she will want to meet with the liaisons for environmental
sustamabihty to set up the agenda for the November study session. Hoge and von
Bleichert aze the haisons for environmental sustaznabihty
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B. Impact of the affordable housing waivers and Development Excise Tax
Dropmski sazd that it is likely that more pro~ects will quahfy for the wazver and
said that this will impact Department revenues.
Manlove asked if there aze waivers on some of the new development, is it possible
to shift that burden onto the other development that is paying DET, so that there is
the same level of cost recovery~ Or does the department have to forego those
funds~ [It appears we should anucipate havmg to forego those funds ]
Dropinski asked the Board what, if anytkung, they would hke to have done~
Manlove stated that ~t wou[d be helpful to have a l~st of a[l tdentzfied capttal
pro~ects and how long ~t will take to develop them. Thes would be something to
show Counctl how [ong ~t will take to develop parks with the amount of funding
available
Osborne stated that the overall financial impact w~ll not be that great addmg that
new revenue sources need to be idennfied.
C. Amendment 21
Dropinski brought the statewide issue to the attenhon of the Boazd and pomted
~ out the financial impacts as listed on the spreadsheet mcluded m the packet.
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VIII. Future Board Items and Tours
Dooley asked if many of the items hsted m the packet could be put on a Consent Agenda.
Osbome concurred and suggested that Meyer and Dooley meet with staff and decide
which items could be mcluded on Consent Agenda.
Dropinski remmded the Boazd that Wednesday mght the OSBT will be dealmg wrth the
orgamzaaonal structure of the new department of Ope~ Space and Mountun Pazks
Study session on environmental sustunability - November 6, location TBD
Jomt study session wrth Council - December 12
IX. NEXT BOARD MEETING
October 23, 2000
XII. ADJOURN
~ Meetmg ad~oumed at 11:37 p.m.
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~ APPROVED BY PARKS AND RECREATION
ADVISORY BOARD.
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Will Meyer
Boazd Chur
Attest:
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Georgia J~c son
Recordmg ecretary
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