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Signed Minutes - 7/24/2000. DO NOT REMOVE - PRAB File Ma[erial City of Boulder Parks and Recreation Advisory Board Minutes Juty 24, 2000 City Council Chambers 1777 Broadway 6:00 p.m. The following are the minutes of the July 24, 2000 City of Boulder Parks and Recreation Advisory Board meeting. A permanent set of these minutes and a tape recording (maintained for a period of 6 years) are retained in Central Records (telephone: 441-3043). Board Present: Will Meyer, Chair; Susan Osbome, Dave Wining, Edwazd von Bleichert and Chazles Manlove Board Absent: Gwen Dooley, Vice Chair; and Pam Hoge Staff Present: Chris Dropinski, Ken Ramsey, Georgia Jackson, Doug Hawthome, Russ Driskill, Kate Bemhazdt I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA The agenda was approved as submi[ted. II. APPROVAL OF NIINUTES June 10, 2000 The minutes were approved as submitted. June 26, 2000 The minutes were approved as submitted. III. CITIZEN PARTICIPATION Citizen Participation was opened. Ruth Wright, 1440 High Street, Boulder 80304, expressed support for Alternative #1 on the Mountain Pazk land transfer to Open Space. She added that Altemative #2 should be removed from the information provided to the public as it is no longer under ~ .- consideration. She added that too much information given to the Board will confuse and delay the decision and feels that staff should pare down and not include too much detail. ~" Ed Self, 980 McIntire Street, Boulder 80304, expressed suppoft for a pocket park and community gazden at the Hickory Avenue site neaz Foothills Pazkway and Baseline. He asked all citizens in support of a pocket pazk and community garden at this site to stand to show their support and approximately 19 people stood. Ceal Ruffing, 705 Yale Road, Boulder 80303, spoke in support of a pocket park at the Mesa Memorial site. She added that while she is grateful for the underpass under Broadway providing access to Martin Pazk, a neighborhoodlpocket pazk at Mesa Memorial would mean that cluldren would not have to walk or ride bikes along Table Mesa. She asked all those in support of a pocket park at Yale and Table Mesa to stand to show Iheir support and approximately 20 people stood. John Gratz, 1015 Vivian Circle, Boulder 80303, expressed support for the Tree Farm/Foothills site to be used as a pocket pazk and community gazden. Ramona Clark, 43 Crisman, Boulder 80302, Executive Director for Growing Gazdens and Coordinator for Community Gazdens, addressed concerns that neighbors may have about future gardens in their neighborhood. She stated that the North Boulder community gazden has approximately 200 gazden plots and serves between 300 and 450 people each season. During the busiest part of the season (spring), or on work days, Clark estimated ~ 10 - 15 cazs arrive on a Saturday; with only 1 to 3 cars at the garden at any one time. The ~ gazden at the Hickory Street site would be approximately a quarter of that size and would probably reflect that in the amount of cars and traffic in the neighborhood. Cluk added that providing community gazdens in east and south Boulder would reduce commuter traffic to the gardens in the north part of town and concluded by stating some of the benefits that community gazdens bring to a neighborhood. Premena, PO Box 1038, Boulder 80306, spoke in support of pocket pazks and community gardens and encouraged the Boazd to approve more of them throughout the city. Terrie Clazk, 715 Hartford Drive, Boulder 80305, spoke in support of the pocket pazk and community gazdens at Mesa Memorial site. Neil Rosen, 101 Hickory Avenue, Boulder 80303, lives across from the proposed pocket park on Hickory and thinks that the idea of a pocket pazk is a good one in principle. However, he expressed concern about traffic on Hickory and would prefer that the pazk entrance come off Baseline rather than Hickory. Michele Seipp, 906 Mclntire Street, Boulder 80303, expressed support for a neighborhood park (Tree Farm) and feels it would add stability to the neighborhood. She PRAB Meenng 7/24/00 - Page 2 ~~ ~ believes that a neig6borhood pazk would make it a more desirable place where people • would buy their homes and stay in the neighborhood. ~ Citizen Participation was closed. IV. ITEMS FROM THE DIRECTOR Dropinski asked if any Boazd members would be interested in being liaisons for art in Valmont City Pazk. Wining and Osborne stated that they wou[d like to be the liaisons and Hoge could be an alternare, if still interested. A. Draft proposal for Mountain Park land transfer to Open Space to be used for public notice prior to public hearing and action August 31 Presenter: Chris Dropinski, Director of Parks and Recreation Dropinski gave an overview of the proposal and how it evolved into its present form. Board comments and ouestions: Osbome said she wished the proposal could be shorter and simpler. She would like to add to the proposal that the PRAB has toured the sites that aze being considered for uansfer. `~ von Bleichert would like to see maps of Coot Lake and the reservoir included. "" Osborne added that the location maps should be cleazly titled as "Lands Proposed • for Transfer" and "Lands to be Retained". Meyer would like to have the document focus more on what the Boazd intends to do and less on what the Board does not intend to do. Wining stated that not providing a lot of detail could lead to confusion and unanswered questions. Dropinski responded thar an executive summary page could be created, outlining the land transfer with detail and documentation included as artachments. Osborne stated that the wording of the first and second items under Alternative I could be shortened to: No. 1. Support continuation of historic uses. No. 2 Of the understanding that the OSBT will adopt the Boulder Mountain Pazks Resource Protection and Visitor Use Plan and that those uses would continue. Osbome is not sure if No. 3 should be included and believes that No. 4 has already been done by Sue Ellen Harrison. Osbome believes that a versioa of No. 5 is important to the Pazks and Recreation Department. Osbome feels that No. 6 ~ PRAB Meeting'7/24/00 - Page 3 W.... should be included if equipment is an issue but feels that No. 7 and No. 9 seem unnecessary. With regard to No. 10, Osbome feels it would be great if che "O4 department could be reimbursed for the lands transferred to Open Space. - Dropinski responded to Osbome's comment on No. 4. She stated that initially there was a discrepancy with Open Space's interpretation of what fits with the Open Space Charter, with regard to intensity of activity. Until that has been determined, Dropinski feels that No. 4 should be included. Manlove agreed that No. 4 should be included until the OSBT has detertnined tha[ cunent uses of the land aze consistent with the Open Space Char[er. With regard to No. 10, Dropinski stated that it is a policy issue and that it is up to the Boazd whether they want to ask Ciry Council for reimbursement for lands transferred to Open Space. von Bleichert said that the document needs clarification on "who" makes final decisions, realizing tha[ some issues aze for the PRAB, some for OSBT, some for the Consensus group and some for City Council. von Bleichert asked who is being referred to when the document states "before the final decision is made" - does this mean "before the City Manager and City Council approve this"? He feels that the grouping of issues in the memo makes it uncleaz as to who is responsible for each decision. Manlove stated that instead of listing specific things, it could simply be stated: ~1 "We dodt expect that there will be any dramatic changes in management of these "'"` lands". von Bleichen and Osborne concurred. Wining would still like to see an executive summary with backup provided for those wishing to have background information. He feels it would be helpful to have an understanding of whether the OSBT can accept what is proposed by the PRAB. He would not like to vote on something that the OSBT will not accept. Meyer stated that the information conveyed to some of che Boazd members is that Open Space does not have concerns about uses. Yet as tEie 10 items become more prescriptive, he is less comfortable with that. He would like to see the list condensed. von Bleichert feels that the proposal document itself should be kept as clear and concise as possible and that background, history and details ought to be broken out separately as attachments, without having them mixed into the document. He is very concerned with having Alternative II included as the public may feel they need to review and understand it, while the PRAB has already decided against it. von Bleichert feels that Altemative II could be referenced insofaz as there was a second altemative that didn't have support from staff or boazd. He also would PRAB Meering 7/24/00 - Page 4 ~~' ....f like the word "Altemative" changed to read "Proposal" as there is no alternative @^ any more; it just diddt have support. He also agrees with Will that condensing ~... will help. He added that it would be helpful to clarify in the memo "who" it is that needs to consider each issue. Manlove stated that the length of the document is not a major issue with him when he considers the issue being considered. He feels that the management of Mountain Pazks comes from hundreds of years of cumulative staff experience and management. He added that this should somehow be expressed and incorporated into why the PRAB would not anticipate dramatic changes in management. Osbome reviewed the 10 comnonents of the nrooosal: No. 1 and 2- wording as before No. 3 - not necessary No. 4- would prefer to heaz from Open Space before the Aug31 meeting on whether or not they feel that the current use is consistent with the charter No. 5 and No. 6- feels that the Boazd ought to be on record as suppofting some FI'E No. 7- incorporate into the body of Ihe memo, recognizing that 100+ yeazs of Mountain Pazks Staff managing these properties No. 8- not sure how prairie dog issue fits in as no prairie dog properties aze being transferred No. 9- Boazd members feel if the Ranger Cottage is not going to be used as a '"' point of contact and entryway to the Mountain Pazks System, then perhaps it ~`'~' should not be a part of the transfer and the City could look at alternate uses. No. 10 - is a policy issue. Walt Fricke, Assistant City Attomey, asked whether the Boazd is making conditions of the disposal or recommendations that Council can follow or not follow, as it sees fit. Meyer responded that the term he has been using is "considerations" as these are things important enough to be thought abour. Dropinski asked the Boazd whether to include Coot Lake and the Reservoir in [he proposal. Osborne responded that it's part of whar shou[d be given to the public and should include an explanation about why Coot Lake and the Reservoir are being retained. Including a map is also a good idea. Osborne noted that at the bottom of Page 2, she doesn't think that the Planning Boazd approves the acquisition of open space, they just have to approve the disposition of pazk land. Osborne suggested calling the newspaper about doing an article on the land transfer in addition to ads in the paper. PRAB Meeting 7/24/00 - Page 5 e,..~ ,r von Bleichert, Manlove and Wining said they will be available to assist staff with the memo. .s V. ITEMS FROM BOARD MEMBERS Osbome stated that she has been contacted by a group that would like to move the temporazy ice rink up to a wintering spot in Chautauqua. This may come to the Boazd as a proposal - although there are competing loca[ions. Meyer feels that the department could make community gazden plots more readily available at a variety of pazk facilities azound the City. Meyer asked Board members to notify staff with any updates to their vacation schedules. VI. ITEMS FOR ACTION A. Staff brieTing, public hearing and Board recommendation on the Greenways Master Plan Projects and Opportunities Presenters: Doug Hawthorne, Superintendent of Parks Annie Noble, Interim Greenways Coordinator Noble provided the Boazd with background information on the Greenways Master Plan Update and the Greenways program; and described how projects were identified. ^~, Noble informed the PRAB that the Water Resource Advisory Boazd (WRAB) was present to heaz the presentation. Aftet the PRAB's recommendation, the WRAB planned to reconvene elsewhere and make their recommendation. Meyer welcomed the WRAB and invited them to join the PRAB. The WRAB members introduced themselves. The public hearing was opened. No one spoke. The public hearing was closed. On a motion by Osbome, seconded by von Bleichert, the Pazks and Recreadon Advisory Boazd voted unanimously (5-0 with two members absent) to recommend adoption of the Greenways Master Plan Map (Attachment B) and the Greenways Master Plan Update Reach Inventory (Attachment C). The Boazd took a 5 minute recess. PRAB Meeting 7/24/00 - Page 6 ~~ .~.- A ~ B. Public hearing and consideration of a recommendation to Planning Board ,~.~ and City Council regarding impacts of Fourmile Canyon Creek flood ,,,,, mitigation alternatives on Parks and Recreation properties Presenters: Ken Rarosey, Superintendent, Parks Planning and Construction Bob Harberg, Utilities Project Coordinator Dave Love, Love and Associates Huberg gave an overview of the flood midgation altematives and asked the PRAB for their recommendation. The Public Hearing was opened. Elizabeth Black, 4340 N 13`" Street, Boulder 8030_, likes the 50 or 100 yeaz alternative because of the protection it affords her home. However, she prefers the 100 yeaz plan as it also protects the Crestview School. Black addressed the issue of sediment, capture and removal at the Violet Pazk site and gave each PRAB member a small bag of sediment from Foumule Canyon Creek. Black suggested some type of signage to educate the public on sediment removal. Black also shazed information from newspaper articles about past flooding of Foumule Canyon Creek. DeAnne Butte~eld, 810 Yellow Pine, Boulder 80304, spoke about the flood plan's inclusion of transportation projects that she feels aze unnecessary to the ^ flood plan. She listed these as the extensions of ~`" and 10'~ Streets, the extension ~w.- of Yarmouth west of 10`" and a new bridge. She expressed concern that by including the bridge and street extensions in a flood plan, that it will become the impetus for that to be the solution to secondary vehicular access. She encouraged the PRAB in their recommendation to Planning Boazd to include a request that the 9'~, 10'" and Yannouth Street extensions and the bridge be deleted from the flood plan. The Public Hearing was closed. On motion by Osborne, seconded by Manlove, the Pazks and Recreation Advisory Boazd voted unanimously (5-0 with two members absent) to select the 50 yeaz - altemative as it relates to improvements that would be required on park properties, subject to the clarification and consideration listed above [in memo dated July 13, 2000] under Parks and Recreation Staff Comments. C. Public Hearing and Consideration of a motion to approve a slate of nominees to be forwarded to the Boulder Parks and Recreation Foundation Presenter: Chris Dropinski, Director of Parks and Recreation PRAB Meeting 724/00 - Page 7 ~.- Dropinski explained how the existing Foundation Boazd has functioned in the past and how the Foundation Boazd is to be structured in the future. ^~ On a motion by Manlove, seconded by Wining, the Pazks and Recreation Advisory Boazd voted unanimously (5-0 with two members absent) to recommend the slate of nominations to the Boulder Pazks and Recreation Foundation Board. D. Public Hearing and Consideration of a motion approving changes to the Parks and Recreation Advisory Board's Procedural Rules Presenter: Chris Dropinski, Director of Parks and Recreation Dropinski explained the changes to the Boazd's Procedural Rules as discussed at the retreat on May 6, 2000. The Public Hearing was opened. No one spoke. Tt~e Public Hearing was closed. On a motion by Wining, seconded by Manlove, the Parks and Recreation Advisory Boazd voted unanimously (5-0 with [wo members absent) to approve the changes to the Procedural Rules. ^~ VII. ITEMS FOR DISCUSSIONQNFORMATION " A. Neighborhood and Pocket Park Acquisidon Project update Presenter: Russ Driskill, Site Analyst Driskill updated the Boazd on the status of the Neighborhood and Pocket Pazk Project and to request feedback on the proposed staff direction. Board comtnents and auestions: Wining asked how much money is left in the bond fund and how much time remains to spend it. Dropinski responded that as long as staff shows continued activity and is actively pursuing property to purchase, that should satisfy the requirement. Wining asked how many of the sites would require funds. Driskill responded that the school site would require approximately $105,000 for the permanent easement and Mesa Memorial Baptist Church has come back with the original contract price of $700,000. ~ PRAB Meeting 7l24/00 - Page 8 _, Ramsey teminded the Board that there is approximately only $SOO,OOO left in the bond fund and purchase plus expenses for both would bring the total cost to `~~ approximately $850,000. Funding sources would need to be idenufied for the `'~ difference. Meyer asked when money would start accumulating in the capital fund to rebuild. Ramsey responded rhat [ottery funds would stan showing up in the C!P for park acquisition in 2004. Manlove added that Item No. 10 on the consolidation proposal could be a way of replenislung funds. Given the shortage of funding, von Bleichert asked if there is a prioriry to acquisition of the sites. Ramsey responded that no funds would be needed to acquire the Tree Nursery so thar is one that definitely should be pursued. The second would be the Goose Creek Channel and the E[mer's Two Mile confluence which will come with rhe utilities work on that project, unless the Board would decide otherwise. Of the two remaining sires, based on neighborhood input, the highest priority would probably be Mesa Memorial. Wining expressed concem that approval might raise public expectation that the pazks will be developed in the neaz future. VIII. Future Board Items and Tours ,„., Dropinski informed the Boazd that the building at FoRune Pazk has to come down. The „w, issue will come back to the Boazd for use of land for affordable housing. August 31 - Mountain Parks land transfer to Open space - public hearing Sept. 6- NBRC schemauc design approval - Possible tour prior to start of ineeting (3:30 or 4:00 pm) Wining and Meyer requested a Project Status upda[e. IX. NEXT BOARD MEETING August 31, 2000 XII. ADJOURN Meeting adjourned at 10:40 p.m. PRAB Meering 7f24/00 - Page 9 r" APPROVED BY PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD: ~L, ~'2j~~ Will Meyer Boazd Chair Attest: I:~e nnc-~ ~. Georgia Ja~on ~P ~q ur~ Recording Secretary ~ '"yrq PRAB Meeting 72M00 - Page 10 •'"~+, -W