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Signed Minutes - 11/26/2001DO NOT REMOVE - PRAB File Matenal City of Boulder r"""' Parks and Recreation Advisory Board ' Minutes November 26, 2001 City Council Chambers 1777 Broadway 6 p.m. The follow:ng are the minutes of the November 16, 2001 C:ty of Boulder Parks and Recreahon Advtsory Board meet:ng (PRAB) A permanent set of these minutes and a tape recording (matnta:ned for a period of 6 years) are retatned :n Central Records (telephone. 303-441-3043) Board Present: Gwen Dooley, Chur; Ed von Bleichert, Vice Chau, Dave Wmuig, Charles Manlove, Pam Hoge, and Thomas Sanford Board Absent: Susan Osborne Staff Present: Jan Geden, Chnstzne Andersen, Doug Hawthome, Sarah DeSouza, Julya Bndgewater, Ann Wiclunann, Lisa Bondi, A1 Quiller, Teri Olander, Maureen Spitzer, Bill Boyes, Glenn Magee, Mandy Fletcher, Mackenzie ,.- Nelson and Rachel Rann I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA The agenda was approved as submitted. II. CITIZEN PARTICIPATION Cihzen Participation was opened. Chazlotte Sorenson, 603 Spruce Street, Boulder 80302, spoke against the Transportahon Advisory Board's recommendation to City Council that would allow motorized vetucles on Boulder's sidewalks and bicycle paths. She expressed concerns about noise, safety on already crowded bike paths and lack of enforceabihty. Sorenson asked the PRAB to oppose the recommendarion and work with the OSBT to encourage City Council to veto the recommendaUon Scott Allman, 1720 Bluff Street, Boulder 80304, spoke m favor of allowmg electnc bikes on bike paths. In the past eighteen months Allman has ridden over 2000 miles on tus electnc bike commuring to work, rumm~g errands and for recrearion. Allman said there aren't any substantial ob~echons to electnc bikes that wouldn't apply to non- electric bikes. ~,""' ^~•- Ricky Weiser, 4020 N. 75`~ Street, Boulder 80301, stated that bicyclists should have ^"' identificatron cleazly visible that could be used for reporting offenses. Weiser stated that the study session [Item IV-B.] should be broadened to include prairie dogs, foxes and other predators hving m the azea. She also said bicyclists should not be allowed to ride on the wlute line [of bilce lanes]. Weiser added that she does not beheve bilces with trailers [Burleys] should be allowed on streets with curbs, as there is no where for the cyclist to exit the road to avoid contact with cars Len Barron, 601 Canyon Blvd, Boulder 80302, spoke against allowing motorized bicycles on bike paths. Barron expressed concem for speedmg bicycles on the bike paths and the lack of code enforcement. Barron asked the PRAB to make a quiet, safer commumty by opposmg the recommendatron that would allow motonzed bikes on bike paths. Citizen Participahon was closed. Christine Andersen welcomed and mh~oduced Jan Geden, the new Pazks and Recreation Director. Geden gave a brief overview of her work experience and accomphshments m parks and recrearion. III. CONSENT AGENDA Mmutes of October 22, 2001 ~ ,,,,_ The Pazks and Recrearion Advisory Boazd voted unanimously (6-0 with Osborne absent) to approve the minutes with changes IV. MATTERS FROM THE DEPARTMENT Andersen spoke about the Youth Opporcunides Advisory Boazd's (YOAB) mterest in becommg more involved in the City's pohtacal processes, panc~ulazly in bemg more engaged m the decision makmg acrivitres. She suggested looku-g at opportunihes for invitmg YOAB to a future PRAB meetmg and mcludmg YOAB m the Master Plan process as a way of includwg input. Dooley suggested mviUng YOAB member delegates to PRAB meetings on a regulaz basis and Hoge expressed interest m attendmg a YOAB meehng. A. Tom Watson Park prairie dog fence update Presenters: Doug Hawthorne, Superintendent of Parks and Ann Wichmann, Environmental Resources Manager Hawthome provided the PRAB with an overview of the lustory of prazne dog contauunent efforts at Tom Watson Park Wichmann said that contaznment of the ball fields would mclude a 4 to 6 foot lugh wooden bamer that would be placed on a concrete cap to prevent any visual ~ ~ PRAB Meehng 1 I/26/Ol - Page 2 ~,,., gaps. A galvanized wire mesh barrier would be constructed below ground m trenched ditch (3 feet deep), placed undemeath the concrete. Additionally, chicken wire would be placed on the ground adjacent to the fence and also slightly up the wooden fencing. Several rows of vegetation would be placed as an additional bazrier and the plasric fencing would remain unril the vegetat~on matures. Hoge inquued about the number and locarion of gates Wichmann responded that the only gate would be the central entrance on the west to allow access for maantenance equipment and people. Andersen spoke about usmg the fence as an educarional opporhuuty and perhaps havuig displays to explazn how the bamer system is mtended to work, as a way to gam support from users. She added that the relocation of prairie dogs has stopped unhl an effectrve bazrier is uistalled. Once the barner mstallahon is complete, relocation of prazne dogs inside the field area will resume unril the March deadluie. In June any remaimng praine dogs would be relocated. Wichmann mformed the Boazd that IBM was amenable to the idea of opemng up some of the fencmg to the east to allow a more nahual flow for predatory wildlife. She added that she has put some somc repellers near the fields and soon hopes to have data on their effectiveness. ~' Manlove expressed concem over lunihng the barrier fencmg to only the ball fields and not mcludmg the tennis courts and playground in Phase 1. Wichmann responded that the barrier fencmg was an expens:ve experiment to determzne whether a recreakon fac:kty can be totally enclosed to prevent prazrie dog access Andersen added that the barrier fencing of the ball fields was a ptlot and its effectiveness was to be evaluated Andersen said it was possible that barrters on subsequent sites may be less ngorous Andersen stated that the estunated cost for Phase 1 was $40K and the cost for the entire enclosure would be approacimately $100K. She spoke of the unportance of determinuig whettter or not the design will be effechve m preventing prazne dog access Wunng satd he liked the design of the bamer fencmg but queshoned whether ~t reduced the size of the ball field on the eastern edge. Wichmann responded that the ball field would rema~n regulahon stze von Bleichert said he applauded the effort but asked about increasmg the depth of the underground mesh bamer. He expressed concem that 3 feet below ground might be not deep enough to be an effective bamer Andersen responded that vegetahon would be a second hne of defense and that going deeper wtth fencing could have dtmtnuh:ng returns on a real cost Wichmann added that pra:r:e dog ,,~- trapptng on both szdes of the barrter would remove all prazrze dog famzly PRAB Meehng 11/26/Ol - Page 3 ~ members, which would then be relocated ~n an effort to stem prairie dog m:gration Sanford said he thought the bamer was a good start and would serve as a baselme. He felt rt would be useful to determuie the effectrveness of an underground barrier 3 feet m depth. Manlove said the hfe expectancy of the underground bazrier was an important factor when considering cost. He felt it might be worthwhile to find a way to retazd rust and decomposihon of ihe wue mesh as a way to increase hfe expectancy of the bamer. B. City Council prairie dog study session (January 22, 2002) Presenters: Christine Andersen, Deputy City Manager for Environmental Services Ann Wichmann, Environmental Resources Manager Andersen stated that for the January Study Session, staff was gomg to compile uiformation from prairie dog relocation and containment efforts over the past yeaz and would be looking at where the program is worku-g and where more effecrive approaches need to be developed. The study session will consider a master plan of prazne dog habitat in an urban area that won't mterfere with wildhfe movement through the wnldhfe comdors. They will also be lookmg at /'"' capital investment needs and the possible need to budget for prairie dog "° management in the plan. Two representahves each from the PRAB and OSBT aze invited to participate with City Council on the prazne dog study session. Boazd discussion revealed that three or four PRAB members would want to participate so that all sides of the issue aze represented. The PRAB asked that tlus be conveyed to City Council. There was discussion of a possible December meeting. As meetmg space m December is difficult to find, it was decided to consider the first or second Monday in January. This could be a study session to discuss the City Council study session and the wildlife corridor. Andersen suggested that a tour might be the best way to determine the width and locarion of the wildlife comdor. Wichmann gave the PRAB a copy of the plantuig plan for the wildhfe comdor at Valmont City Park, a very narrow stnp on the eastem edge, and sazd the exact width was yet to be deternuned because of the detention ponds. ,*" PRAB Meenng 11/26/Ol - Page 4 ~,,, C. Update on NBRC renovation , Presenters: Bill Boyes, Facilities and Asset Manager Glenn Magee, Architectural Project Manager Boyes stated that the pro~ect was on schedule, wrthin budget and that the NBRC v~nll reopen on September 9, 2002. He added that the project was on track for a silver LEEDS rahng on the building. Magee provided an overview of the pro~ect, mcluding relocation of the platform tennis courts, foundation work and demolition inside the buildmg. Sanford said he had recently toured the construcrion site and spoke tughly of how the project was progressing. He expressed amazement that the gymnast~cs program could continue throughout the renovation process. D. Update on BVSD and City of Boulder Memorandum of Understanding regarding the Development Excise Tax Presenter: Christine Andersen, Deputy City Manager for Environmental Services Andersen informed the Boazd that conversations between the BVSD and the Crty aze ongoing and broad based. In an effort to help Boulder High remazn m its present locahon, development excise tax funds might be used to help fund /""' athletic fields at Valmont City Pazk. Andersen informed the Boazd that there `' would be a City Council study session on December 11 to discuss issues related to the school distnct discussion. On December 13 there would be a joint meeting of the BVSD Boazd and City Council (a dmner meeting at Tnos) to discuss issues related to these negot~ahons. von Bleichert expressed concern about not havuig control over programmmg if the school distnct was fundmg ball fields to meet the needs of lugh school or elementary school kids. He felt it would be beneficial to obtain fundmg and have ball fields bmlt, but not if the Pazks and RecreaUon Department can't use them. Andersen repked that BVSD has already been involved in the Public Pr:vate Parmershzp process along w~th other parties interested tn adderianal ball fields Hoge said she was disappointed that the PRAB was not part of the process from early on. Dooley concurred with Hoge. Andersen responded that the idea evolved out of conversahons on how exctse tazes mzght be used to keep Boulder H:gh on thetr current site. Andersen said that ball field usage could be part of the design process and added that it would be very awkward to turn down the offer, because of potentzal tnter-govemment agreement Hoge said she understands why they were doing it but thought rt was mappropriate that the PRAB wasn't brought in earlier. She asked Andersen to convey that to City ,,~ Council. ~ PRAB Meehng 11/26/Ot - Page 5 Manlove said he was less troubled about the issue and that he saw it as City Council and BVSD becoming~oint applicants m the Pubhc Partnerslup Process. Dooley said she wanted to speak for Osbome who had voiced concern eazly on that she didn't want to find out "after the facY' about what would be bwlt m Valmont City Park. von Bleichert said he wanted to determine what commumty needs led to mcludmg ball fields on the concept plan. He expressed concem that those needs might not be met if the ba11 fields were built and the City had very little access to them. Andersen stated that it would be ~mportant for the Boazd to focus on the language of the inter-govemmental agreement to ensure having the ability to manage the negoUations and implementataon of this project, from a Pazks and Recrearion standpoint, m a way that works m the interest of the community She added that she would convey that to City Council. Wuung asked if there were discussions about other School Distnct athletic reqwrements at Valmont other than softball and baseball. He expressed concem that the landlocked issues of Boulder High were greater than one ball field and ~ also was concetned where this might lead. Andersen replied that she was not aware of anythtng else Olander stated that both high schools already use Pleasant View for thetr games, but sazd that Wen:ng s concern was val:d Multz- use fields for practice are already in short supply and Olander satd she wouldn't be surprised tf the issue came up zn the next meeteng Olander spoke about the unportance of the language of the inter-governmental agreement with regard to programmmg and staffing. She said that the ~omt agreement wrth CU for use of Pleasant View Fields has worked out very well. However, the programmmg staff and mamtenance staff was not as uivolved with the Tom Watson Pazk agreement and as a result Olander sazd there have been issues. von Bleichert said Youth Baseball of Boulder (YBOB) has come to the Boazd with complaints of fields that need to be upgraded. He asked whether BVSD has considered using the $3 milhon to upgrade exisUng fields. Olander responded that YBOB uses county fields and that City funds would not be used to upgrade county fields. Andersen sazd she will get the study session packet to the PRAB and will be sure to shaze the PRAB's concerns. e•^ PRAB Meehng 11/26/01- Page 6 ~ V. MATTERS FROM BOARD MEMBERS Manlove inquired about the City's pohcy on wnductang weekly classes m a City pazk. He was referring to a dog training class that takes place outside the off- leash area at Howard Heuston Pazk. Hawthorne responded that there is no policy or ordinance that proh:bits private partzes from conducting a class except ins:de a recreation center. Andersen suggested putring this on a future agenda and bringing the issue back to the PRAB for considerahon. von Bleichert asked whether there were plans to install b~ke racks at the Auport Road entry to Valmont City Pazk. Staff ~ndzcated they would find out and bnng that information back to the Board von Bleichert suggested putting up addihonal barrier fencmg at Valmont City Pazk pnor to Much, as suggested in the last meehng. Wichmann responded that because there was a great deal of tall grass ~n the area, she felt it unhkely that the prairie dogs would migrate to that area In addehon, she was reluctant to complete the bamer to the east boundary as that would cut ofjthe north/south wtldlife comdor that staff is trying to create Wichmann satd it was possible to sprinkle heavy wood debris as a vtsual barr:er for the prairie dogs, which would not impede deer, foxes and coyotes She added that staff wanted to complete ~„,. trapping before ~ncreasing the praine dog barner. von Bleichert stated that he had read that lacrosse was increasmg m popularity. Olander satd the sport has grown to where each hzgh school has their own lacrosse team and that Boulder Valley Lacrosse has players from second through eighth grade. She spoke about the need for additzonal mulk-use fields that can be used for soccer, football, ultzmate frtsbee and lacrosse. Sanford sazd he was interested m swunmmg pool mazntenance and how often it is done. Staff will bring that informatton to the Board at a future meetzng Hoge sazd the Community Gardens Report looked great. She said she would like the Boazd to consider cnteria for developed park sites and possibly expand the park system to include "pocket commumty gazdens". Hoge said she would hke to see more flexibihty m pazk acquisirion as well as fleubihty m development of remnant pazcels. ~ ~ VI. ITEMS FOR ACTION PRAB Meehng I 1/26/01 - Page 7 ~ VII. ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION/INFORMATION A. North Boulder Recreation Center public art project Presenter: Maureen Spitzer, Landscape Arclutect A1 Quiller, Recreation Administrator Donna Gartenmann, Arts Commission Spitzer provided the Boazd wrth an overview of the art selechon process for the two lobby sculptures. Boazd Comments and Quesrions: • Hoge asked whether it was too late for school luds and others in the commwuty to help design small pro~ects in the NBRC. Spttzer sazd she didn't th~nk it was too late. • Dooley said the Boazd has repeatedly asked for commumty involvement with regard to the use of artistic elements m the NBRC renovarion process, wluch she feels, has been ignored. In addihon she felt that the wordmg of the Call for Entnes was too limiting of the arhsYs creaUvity. • Manlove stated that he felt that the Call for Entries could be changed to encourage the involvement of youth. He did not feel that stating the dimension for the sculpture would shfle the artisYs creahvity. ""'"~ • Andersen said that artists' time is valuable and that they would want to create proposals hkely to be selected if the Board had mterests or specific elements m mmd for the lobby sculptures, Andersen encouraged the Board to let the azhsts know about them. • Wining suggested usmg some of the funds for an azea where art from school age cluldren could be displayed. He suggested a 3-dunensional gallery m a glass case that would allow for pamhngs and other art forms. Other Boazd members expressed support for the gallery • Quiller stated that one of the objecrives was that the freestandmg lobby artwork not take up too much of the lobby space because of the lazge number of people that would be commg and going from different direchons. Other cnteria mcluded keeping the hne of sight open for staff to see who was commg and gomg through the front doors. Also that the piece not be easily broken, given the lazge number of gymnastics panc~ipants moving through the azea. The "flight piece" was intended to fill up the lazge wlute space created by the vaulted ceilmg and the high whtte bnck wall. Dooley and Hoge l:ked Quzller's crztena for the art pieces and fe[t that hts descnp~ons should be used in the Call for Enmes. • The PRAB considered mviting the Arts Commission for the February 5 review of applicahons and discussed how to screen and narrow down the apphcations should an overwhelmmg number be received ~ PRAB Meehng I 1/26/01 - Page 8 ,~- w• B. Electric-assist bicycle proposal ordinance Presenter: Marai Ratzel, Bicycle/Pedestrian Planner for the Transportation Division Ratzel presented the PRAB with background and lustory of the Transportarion Advisory Boazd's proposed amendment to the Boulder Revised Code regazding the use of electnc assist bicycles withui the city of Boulder. Board Comments and Ouestions• . Dooley asked if Transportarion had discussed enforcement with the Police Department. Ratzel responded that they had not • Sanford spoke about enforcement issues and the need to issue some kind of penalty He would like to see a mandatory bell on every bicycle, not just the electric bilces. Sanford said he would need to see and nde one of the electric bicycles before making a~udgment • Manlove sazd he had already seen an electnc bicycle used illegally on Open Space land. While the noise level was not loud, Manlove felt that allowuig electric bicycles on mulU-use paths could pose a problem to unsuspectang pedestrians. He also cited the difficulty of enforcement and expressed concern for adding to the already existing conflicts between current user groups. ~'^ • Hoge asked what was expected of the PRAB at this meehng. Andersen suggested PRAB members nde the elecinc becycle to consader the impacts and make an informed dects:on The matter would be put on a future agenda as a recommendanon from the PRAB to be fonvarded to City Counctl. • Hoge asked where electnc bicycles were currently allowed Ratzel responded that they were allowed on all city streets and in street bicycle lanes • Hoge said she already had too many bad experiences wrth speedmg bicycles on bilce paths and was not mchned at tlus time to allow electric bicycles along the creek path. • Andersen remazked that having come from a commucuty that was bicycle- onented, she could agree that the courtesy of bicyclists in Boulder was really poor. Andersen sazd she had not once experienced a bicychst using a bell or calling out to alert pedestrians and suggested an education program for bicyclists. • von Bleichert asked whether the term electnc bicycle was clearly defined m the orduiance to preclude use by gas-powered skateboards and other non- bicycle velucles. Ratzel responded that the ordinance clearly defzned the terms "electnc" and "btcycle " and clearly stated the allowed number and sue of wheels, the wattage of the electric motor and the top speed • von Bleichert sazd speed was not as much of a concern for lum as accelerahon. He asked ~f noise level was mcluded m the ordmance. Ratzel ~. repked that it was not ~... PRAB Meehng 11/26/Ol - Page 9 ~"' • Wuring sazd his mchnation was that electnc assist bicycles should be allowed `~ on mulri-use paths but he would like to ride one to determine noise level. Wining added that congestion along the creek path already needs monitoring. Wlule bike riding recently in Steamboat Springs Wining said he saw uniformed officers riding on the paths. In addirion, he noted that bicycle nders used bells or called out to pedestrians. • Dooley sazd she would keep an open mmd unhl she has ridden an electric bicycle. She expressed concems for enforcement of abuses and suggested makmg some type of hcensmg or identrfication mandatory. In addition, Dooley was concerned about use of electnc assist bicycles adding to the congeshon on the Boulder Creek Path. C. Encroachment property adjacent to Maxwell Lake Park Presenters: Doug Hawthome, Superintendent of Parks Walt Fricke, City Attorney Hawthome provided the PRAB with lustory and background;mformation on the pazk and encroaclunent property adjacent to the pazk. Boazd Comments and Ouesrions• • Boazd members asked if the Lang fanuly were the original owners of the property at 3732 Wonderland Hill Avenue and asked when the property was ~^^ purchased. Fncke responded that the Langs were the sole owners and .~_ purchased the property directly from the developer:n the late 1960's • Fncke said that the development allowed zero intenor lot line construction. At the time the property was onginally purchased by the Langs rt was discovered that the roof eaves were overhangmg the property line m the pazk The developer nohfied Pazks and Recreation of the infringement and the Duector of Pazks and Recrea6on at that hme stated m a letter that it was okay. Sanford said that would zmply ownership and Fricke agreed Manlove and Hoge sazd that would also :ndicate the Langs knew of the infizngement and location of the lot line. • Manlove asked when the Langs started unprovuig the property Frtcke replied that he ded not know but that zn the early 1990's the property looked like :t does today • von Bleichert said that it should have been obvious to the property owners that the pazk land portion of the property was different when they removed the origuial vegetation to plant bluegrass. Wnung disagreed and said the Langs could have assumed it was their property if the pazk portion of the bluegrass was put in at the time of the home's onginal landscaping. Sanford concurred with Wining. • Hawthorne stated that an offer had been recerved to purchase the property for $SOk. He added that the City's real estate office had eshmated undevelopeable property of ilus size and locahon to be worth approximately ~.,, $53k. ~.. PRAB Meeang 1 U26/OI - Page l0 r~^ • Hawthorne asked for duechon from the Boazd if a ma~onty of the PRAB ~,._ did not wish to sell, the offer would be re~ected and a lawsuit could be filed. If a majonty of PRAB members wished to sell the property, there would need to be a formal vote after a nohced agenda rtem. After that, staff would seek a non-binding Planning Boazd recommendation and finally the matter would go before City Council. • Wining asked if the Langs had mazntazned the property and whether there was ungation. Hawthorne responded that the property was fully imgated. Because of ongomg costs, Hawthorne thought it likely that the property would be returned to a natural state ifParks and RecreaKon retained the property Wining said he would have a problem with lettmg the property revert to a natural state and that he leaned towazd disposing of the property if fau mazket value were paid for the land. • Sanford sazd he favored keeping the property if it were to be retumed to a natural state. If the property were to be kept as rt is, Sanford would like to see the land sold. • Manlove sazd he would like to know the PRAB's thmlung on this issue when it came up in 1993. He added that the issue of the Lang property is part of a much lazger issue - that of property owners mfiznging on pazk property In the future it will be unportant that Pazks and Recreahon be more proachve m dealmg with it. • Manlove sazd he is dismclined to dispose of the property ,~ • Hoge said she would favor one of two scenanos: to sell a small strip of land ~-- as a buffer or to sell the whole lot with restrichons on development and to allow for pubhc access. • von Bleichert said he was also dismchned to sell the property and would like to know the Boazd's thinlUng on tlus issue back m 1993. If the property were to be retained, he felt it ought to be retumed to its natural state. • Dooley sazd she was concemed about selluig any pazkland, especially a piece tlus size. She would be mclined to see the land returned to its natural state. Dooley would also like to know what the previous Board's posihon was m 1993. • Hawthorne sazd there was wnsensus that the Boazd did not want to sell the property and that Mrs. Lang's offer to purchase the property ought to be rejected. In addihon, the Boazd would like mformarion on the previous Boazd's intentions on the issue. • Fncke stated that once Pazks and Recreation had hfle to the property it would be possible to sell a small stnp as a buffer so that the homeowners would not be trespassing on pazkland when they mazntazned theu home. Boazd members indicated they were amenable to that possibihty. VIII. FUTURE BOARD ITEMS AND TOURS Andersen gave the PRAB a summary of interest in tours of park srtes. There was ~ concerted mterest m obtazmng informarion about pazk sites that could be used for Boazd members to go out individually and visit park sites at their own convenience. A PRAB Meehng 11/26/Ol - Page 11 ~'"`' ma~ority of Boazd members would I~ke to visrt Coot Lake and the Boulder Reservoir and `- a tour of those sites was to be arranged. IY. NEXT BOARD MEETING: Monday, January 28, 2002 X. ADJOURN The meetwg adjourned at 11.45p.m. APPROVED BY PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD: .AI~IJ`QM~ ~~y Q ~1 Gwen Dooley T Board Chau c ~""' ~~.. Attest: ' ~1~-~~ orgia ackso Recordmg Secretary A'^ +..~ PRAB Meehng 11/26/Ol -Page 12