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3A - Minutes, 11/22/04City of Boulder Parks and Recreation Advisory Board Draft Minutes November 22, 2004 City Council Chambers 1777 Broadway 6 p.m. Board Present: Susan Osbome, Chair; Pam Hoge, Vice Chair; Thomas 5anford, Suzanne O'Neill, Stu Stulle~ Staff Present: Doug Hawthome, Jan Geden, Mazy Bridgewater, Lisa Bondi, Joy Maste Lauren Wittenberg (Intern) ,, Guests: Richard Polk, Chris I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA ~azfl~on Bleichert, Thomas Blackbum Jeff Lakey, 7alya ;en Fitzgerald, item after public II. bicycle riding in Harlow Platts lamaging the turf in the park. /or of an 18-hole disc golf stance in planning the course. in favor of an 18-hole disc goif ;ry three months in order to out the condition of Eben G. ~me of his neighbors and what at the dumpsters in the pazk may be eliminating the Jeff Lakey responded that the restrooms, playground and shelter should be restored and open by the Spring of 2005. The purpose of the survey was to obtain information for a long- term management plan in order to best serve users of the park. The survey, while the results are not yet complete, indicated that more park users are from out of town than Zocals. the results of the survey were. He said th effectiveness of the beaz-proof trash cans. Doug Hawthorne said that the dumpsters are normally emptied once a week during the summer. Dumpsters that lock cost significantly more, but the department will look into the costs. This issue will be included in the park management plan. III. IV. Public participation was closed. CONSENT AGENDA The minutes from the October 7, 2004 meeting were approved with changes. The minutes from the October 25, 2004 meeting were approved. ., MATTERS FROM THE DEPARTMENT vegetation and grading. Lakey said that the conservation team has reseazched altel i^~€~pdesigns for the prairie dog barrier at Foothills Community Pazk. It is necessary to ~hnck the"`'`~aarie dog's view, as they cannot migrate to places they cannot see. The currentrdesign propo's2'~~,consist of either sheet metal or a vinyl barrier with a lip on top thaE~vould+prevent the ptie dogs from climbing over the fence. This would be an exrimental fence that the dep~ttment_has never ~: used before. Costs for either option are estitat $300;, including ad~if,'ki'bal Sanford asked about the durability„of a vinyl barrier. '~F~~'::. Master said that the prairie dogs cq;~hew through a vinyl~,~,,nce in a day. She would prefer a~ t.~. ,,.. the metal option because of durabi4f~.~is,~i~~c~;,. .,t_,,, _ Hoge said the vegetation as presented aRpeazs xfti°b~t;~'vjsygl.bi~eak and does not extend the entire len th of the fence,,,,, ., ,, ,~t` Lakey replied thatYt'is"~o'`~'taprohibitive to ~Y'~ant vegetation along the entire length of the fence. It could,.cast several~iundred thousd~ dollars. ~'.,.;zp~~ ,qa., 5;,~~,g- Stuller asked abouf'fJie,eff~d~c~!~t>£r~his design`as compared to the original design. Lakey zeVpl:ed that in htis:epinio'n tla$`tfrigittd3 design would be more effective than the two "'"Stoller asked if the neighbors had~ieen included in the new design. Gedetz said that the de~artment,wished to get input from the PRAB before going to the neiglibpas for their inpu?' Geden said~that almost.all of the fences have been experimental. The department is trying to protect its investment within a reasonable cost and risk level. Stoller asked where the funding would come from for the additional costs for the fence. Geden said that the department has not yet investigated funding sources. Von Bleichert asked if the reason that Lakey prefers the original design is because of the height of the visual barrier. Lakey replied that the conservation team believes that the new design is worth trying, but there are no guarantees. PRAB Meeting Minutes 10/25/2004 -Page 2 Osborne asked if Lakey thought the new designs were a better solution from a visual barrier perspective. Lakey said that the original design was simpler and that the newer designs are much more complicated. He believes that the original design is still the best solution and that the shorter height would not make a large visual difference. O'Neill asked how deep the wire will go underground. I_akey said that it would go down 4 feet six inches. Osborne asked why PRAB members were not asked to be and Master Plan processes. Geden said that staff will discuss this within the committee PRAB members as appropriate. ~: ,;;, Von Bleichert asked if the land acquisition goals ha~s~bee assessment. ,_s."~ ' ,a?„ Lakey said that the 1996 Master Plan contair~"d a funding be a new formula for needs assessment in the'Yated Ma" Osborne said that it might be an appropriate time park development fees and possibl~.,a bond issue. Lakey said that Boulder County has'O~fe to the Pazks and Recreation Departmeru`t. decided to sell the park azea at 47`" ands that it would not mal¢p~~,g to pursue tl present standazds„';~her'e Yst+"~`t~ a need for O'Neill as] these sites. would staff <'`uQsborne said that pn giL~^€hem the opporti iY..; Blackburn"said that tt huge loss to`th~ baseb the $ben G. Fine Park sfi!{~ture and begin to include ::,,_ ,,_ n met baseq~~[in, the needs „r~.,," ~~ °... source for acgr~satt,Qn_ _There will ~..~~;,. the way the department collects Sell the ballfi'cttari North Broadway and Iris ~, ;<ie , oulder Valley School District has ~s "'t~".'~'khthe•~city's budget crisis, he believes v.._ , ~ . trchases~bause based on the department's park lang in those areas. tslrrast explore the possibility of purchasing a need for additional recreational facilities of the department should send a WIP to City Council members to to make an informed decision. are no equivalent fields and that closure of that site would be a community. ,;~,.; O'Neill said that'she is concerned that staff has already made the decision to not purchase the land without input from the PRAB. Geden said that this issue came up very recently and there has not been sufficient time to do an internal analysis and make a reasonable recommendation. Lakey said that it becomes a policy issue, to buy new land or to maintain the existing assets. Osborne said that City Council should be informed about the issues, that the department and the PRAB are facing, especially because if the little league ballfields become unavailable, there would be a large amount of pazental outcry. PRAB Meeting Minutes 10/25/2004 -Page 3 Geden will have appropriate staff further reseazch the reasons and feasibility of this issue. Stuller said that he cannot be involved in any discussions regazding the Boulder Valley School District because of a conflict of interest. Von Bleichert asked what the cost of the Iris ballfields would be. Lakey said that he does not know at this time. Von Bleichert said that perhaps it is not just a question of what the~department's land acquisition goals aze, perhaps in the Master Plan discussions the tlepanment should find a way to take the pulse of the community to see if the two azeFallel. -t,-., Osborne asked if this is public information. Geden replied that she does not know if it is public irif~?rtriation yet1b`u:€she will research it and let PRAB members know. , . __. Hawthorne gave an update on the Central P put into service and should be completed by Mt Georgetown Loop for ten seasons and will then V. MATTERS FROM BOARD MEP Richazd Polk and Chris Dropinski g The Foundation is in good shape fin full time Executive Dit"~vtgr (Caryn ~~u jni.. been successful. ~T'iiav ea~c`PRAB the past few year ,.The gro'u~3rlov grew substaritially?;mod enabl3 the Foundation appreciates files*ab7 Park. can beeStored and 'e will run on the 'rh^^n arld Recreation Foundation. °'h'a~Sk,rkvedpositive publicity recently. A ~R, has b~~ti hired and fundraising efforts have >rochure and a summary of grants made in ge of their assets to a TROWE fund, which o-cover its administrative costs. The receives from the Pazks and Recreation ~~.-, Departme~7t,z~, ~,.$10,00b~~hallengz;'~`gr~~s issued to Boulder Ice, Inc. and they met the a... challenge.''" '„~ s ','d "~C~?sborne credited ChS.Dropii57ci~ivith reviving the Foundation and committing countless voTh'ttteer hours to the eiluse. Slte thanked all the Foundation Board members, including PRAB^members Suzanne+0'Neill and Tom Sanford, who also serve on the Foundation Board. ~~ Geden thanked~Dropinski for her support of the Foundation. Sanford stated that he is pleased that the interest level in the Foundation is increasing and he has enjoyed his work with them. VI. ITEMS FOR ACTION VII. ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION/INFORMATION Fitzgerald gave a presentation on the Journey's Through EXPAND program. EXPAND is a recreational service through the city of Boulder that provides programs for children, youth and adults with disabilities. PRAB Meeting Minutes 10/25/2004 -Page 4 Diane LaTourette, Judith Franz and Phil Londal spoke about their positive experiences with the post-traumatic stress disorder program that Journeys Through EXPAND provides. Fitzgerald said that the program is in need of more funding. VIII. FUTURE BOARD ITEMS AND TOURS IV. NEXT BOARD MEETING -January 24, 2005 X. ADJOURN D PRAB Meenng Minutes 10/25/2004 -Page 5